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Oh no, I said something I realized was wrong and deleted it so I dont put wrong information out there.. how horrible of me.
very smart and intellectual of you, just like the science that changes 180º every week
The day someone creates nuclear power without using science then maybe I will take you seriously.
It shows science clearly isnt as inept or constantly wrong as you imply if it gives rise to highly advanced and complex technologies that have huge impacts for society.. things flat earthers and science deniers could never hope to produce or even approach.
There is still real science being done, but it is ignored by the powers that be. Climatologists who can demonstrate that the global warming/climate change hysteria is just that - hysteria, except for something like the "grand solar minimum" (which is out of our control entirely) are ignored utterly. Instead, we get fake means of "combating climate change" that enrich the global elite (jewish/non-jewish dynasties, israel, NGOs, trans-national corporations, international finance/capital), rather than really solve problems of pollution people face. This is just one example.
People outside of the technocracy (i.e., the fake side of science being used to justify public policy) can see how it has morphed into a materialistic cult.
Daily reminder that the FDA approved fentanyl.
Of course science, as it is shown to the public, is politicized and often wrong. The media in generally is horribly biased and anti-factual, that includes both liberal and conservative media (no media seems impartial in the USA).
There is a big difference between the actual science, and the science the general public thinks is science, which is largely just a narrative trying to use science to sell it.
That said your specific examples are completely incorrect.. climate change **is** real, though you wont get even a basic understanding of why by either side of the media, for example.
Yes I can agree with that. While climate change is serious and acting over short periods, it is often overhyped to induce fear as well.
Are you seriously complaining about the fact that languages change over time... Yea I'm pretty upset we dont still speak latin too ::rolls eyes::
Calling a cat by any other name doesnt stop making it a cat retard. science is a method of doing things you can bastardize the word as much as you want but at the end of the day they arent doing science theyre just calling it that.
The scientific **method** is a method for doing things.. science is not the scientific method, which is only a set of principles that exists within natural sciences as a process for doing experimentation.
How would you even apply the scientific method to a math proof?
Honestly im done here, its one thing that your an idiot, it is another that your an idiot who doesnt know it.
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the old "language changes over time" argument lol
"Listen bro i know we have this thing we call the scientific method and its the whole basis of what we call science but words change so you can actually do science without thw thing its based on"
t. Some internet retard.
This bizarre re-defining of phrases and words is something typically known about from corporations attempting to massage bad results and the "soft sciences" with their extreme mental gymnastics to avoid talking about the biological side. It has been creeping into the more hard sciences, slowly.
do you think the "actual science" as you call is impervious to being politicized or otherwise incentivized towards ulterior motives?
@Ivan_Ivanovich Nope, we have examples where it has been. But it happens far less so than when science isnt imposed (ie, systematic rigor). So while it reduces politicization it is hardly immune to it.
Ah yeah I'm sure that using science as the primary tool through which political narratives are justified to the people makes science that much less politicized. Makes perfect sense.
@Ivan_Ivanovich Remove science then they just lean on people pulling whatever nonsense out of their ass to justify political messages. Hardly an improvement.
Bro you're literally saying that using science as a political tool does not politicize science but not using it does. Do you fucking understand what you're writing?
What does "impose science" even mean to you, anyway? What is a scientific government in your view?
@Ivan_Ivanovich Actually I said very much the opposite but your just not too bright and totally misunderstood what I said.
What I said was that using science as a political tool does politicize science, but the nature of science makes it more resistant to it than if we didnt have science and instead people just pulled whatever opinion they wanted out of their ass, which would be far more susceptible to politicization.
>The nature of science means that when nobody even cares about it, it's politicized, but when it's used politically, then it's almost perfectly neutral and objective
@Ivan_Ivanovich muted because you are either too much of an idiot to hold a conversation where you understand what is being clearly stated, or intentionally act like an idiot because you think it makes your argument stronger... either way, muted, bye.
Actual science cant because actual science isnt a job its observation and recording of data and a method for doing so what we have currently are research and development departments who have a conclusion that they bend their observations too. Theyre anti science
Again you are using the word science wrong.. oh right i forgot you dont care about the dictionary, you make up your own defintions then act like they are universal objective facts... have fun with that made up world you line in.
bro words change over time, don't be a retard about it ok?
Except that science has **never** been defined by the scientific method. Here is the definition of science from an 1800's dictionary:
1. In a general sense, knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of truth or facts by the mind. The science of God must be perfect.
2. In philosophy, a collection of the general principles or leading truths relating to any subject. Pure science as the mathematics, is built on self-evident truths; but the term science is also applied to other subjects founded on generally acknowledged truths, as metaphysics; or on experiment and observation, as chimistry and natural philosophy; or even to an assemblage of the general principles of an art, as the science of agriculture; the science of navigation. Arts relate to practice, as painting and sculpture.
A principle in science is a rule in art.
3. Art derived from precepts or built on principles.
So science has been done since the ancient Greeks' time by those definitions, but you're talking about how only modern technocratic governments are actually performing science. You have such a fucking mess in your head lmao
>the scientific method as we know it was defined in like 1500s
>o look we started calling people scientists even though it doesnt apply to them
>this makes me correct
These people get to vote
science is not about the scientific method but also science was politicized in the XV century because people didn't care about science because they didn't apply the scientific method
this is what 100% literacy does to people, there was a reason peasants weren't taught to fucking read
This fucking guy is basically saying "im gonna bake a cake" before plopping a corn dog in a deep fryer and calling it baking because his definition of baking ia heating anything with dough.
Definitions of words change so it's fine for the establishment to impose new meanings for certain terms for political purposes in a very short time (and we call this organic), but also the definition of science hasn't changed in three millennia even though everything else I say about it doesn't make sense without considering the scientific method
Truly amazing the pretzels these idiots have to twist themselves into in an attempt to justify their retarded world view
"Yea the media lies but heres a definition i got from media checkmate deniers"
Ah that's the best one haha, and you see it all the time too
Its like watching a dog chase its tail itd be hilarious if they werent running our country
Are you fucking trying too actually say you can disconnect the scientific method from science? Is that really a claim you want to make?
Holy fucking shit were hitting levels of self awareness i didnt even know were possible can you be negatively self aware?