🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@34a3cff1fb40

One thing i want to add is to the point that bad actors tend to game the system by "technically following the rules"... this is why the UFoI has a human element.. we can always change the rules or vote that someone is going against the rules despite technicalities... it is a slippery slope of course, which is why there is a 2/3rds vote needed to change the rules.. but the point is that there is a human element and not just cold hard rules.

@jstorrs @raboof @gregory @ufoi @Raspberry_Pi

@mathlover I can reach out to them but it would probably go over better if it came from a user rather than the admin to be honesst.

@JonKramer

yes we have to be careful not to let ideologically pure eyes cause real harm to the people we are trying to look out for... it can be counter-intuitive but we do it all the time.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

That solution isnt availible to the vast majority of africans, and while I'm all for trying to bring it to them, it isnt.. Which means they would die all the same due to lack of access and you taking away the one cheap measure they have (looking at race).

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

If we took this advice hundreds of thousands of africans would die as I previously explained... That doesnt sound like a prudent thing to do... though as I said it should be treated with extreme caution.

@LouisIngenthron

@JonKramer

The idea of Race can and has been abused... that is a shame, but it doesnt stop race from existing. It does however remind us we have to be **very** carefully how we use race when it comes to science.

@LouisIngenthron

@LouisIngenthron christiaanity is just as much a ethnoreligion as jews are.. in fact you just described it:

> I.e. Even as a full-on atheist, I still celebrate some of the Christian holidays because of culture

You are ethnically christian, but your "religion" is atheist (or lack of a religion).

@LouisIngenthron

Race has **little** to do with science, but not **nothing**...

Race is often important for doctors to asses the risk of disease for a patient. For example a black patient is far more likely to be considered for sickle cell anemia should he/she have related symptoms.

That said race is not particularly important outside of a few things like that.

@JonKramer

@LouisIngenthron Yes, but you have to keep in mind from the perspective of most jews (I live in Israel for a year now, so just my impresion) the religion is the culture.. Even people who are not religious jews will follow most of the religious traditions... So even for them in practice their religion and their ethnicity are almost the same thing.