🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@state

Sorry for the slow response, I've been very busy.

The earliest memory I know the exact date of I was 4 years old, when my mom got a new car and I was playing in it. I remember the day she got it well.

I have an earlier memory from when i still was in the crib and before I could talk of my mom holding me and singing to me. I distinctly remembering saying "mommy" back when it was the only word I knew.

@Micromineral That looks like lung disease :)

When was your earliest memory?

@elan

#dont_tell_me_what_to_do :) Good advice though actually.

@admitsWrongIfProven yea, i usually dont care too much about follow-spam as long as it isnt too bad.. but message spam im pretty strict on.

@admitsWrongIfProven I just heard about it yea. You may want to silence or block the server if you dont like random followers.

@voidabyss Please be aware that posting a bunch of studies that show COVID's safety and claiming its safety is questionable is approaching anti-vax nonsense. It would fall under bad faith arguments.

@voidabyss of course clinical trials are on going. They always will be, thats how science works, we always keep looking. But that is no way even remotely an indication that there is any concern. Spewing studies that all confirm the safety if the vaccines is intended to prove what exactly?

@quinn The people with the best healthcare in history 100 years ago were pretty eager to let people "destroy" those systems to make way for the best healthcare in history that we have in the modern age, and they were just as eager 200 years before that... In 100 years I have no doubt looking back on today it will look just as barbaric. You dont own some singular moment in history were we finally solved an on going problem that has continually improved for thousands of years.

@quinn It may be a nebulous term but it is not "undefined" nor "random" in the healthcare space.. and if you wanted to know the **specific** structure of a co-op in this context then instead of arguing with me for days about something that was undefined in your head in the first place maybe you should have considered asking for clarity? Again, because your not arguing in good-faith.

@quinn Ok, thanks for sharing that irrelevant fact.

@quinn No Z is neither random nor undefined.. the idea of what a co-op is in healthcare is well defined and already exists, nothing random about it...

I think what you meant to say is "I (quinn) am ignorant about this model and rather than admitting I dont know enough to argure it I've been arguing it for hours and am just now admitting that in my mind it is some random undefined thing because I never researched it before"

Again, bad-faith argument and you for some bizare reason keep insisting on not arguing in good-faith.

@quinn Its also not "undefined"... what co-op means here is fairly well defined and as I said, in use on small scales.

@quinn Depends what you mean by that.. yes, there are minority examples of co-op healthcare. No it has never been enforced by law at any scale. But yes it does exist on a scale where a few million people worldwide (scattered) use it.

@quinn You are sounding like a broken record here... for the 10th time now maybe.. being better than things that in no way resemble what im proposing, no matter how many of those things there are is completely irrelevant to the argument at hand. Yet you keep **insisting** I argue about what is better... X or Y and think that is somehow relevant to the fact that I am saying I think Z is better. You keep replacing X with everything in all of history, and yet, it still never resembles Z, so your argument is just a waste of both our time.

@quinn Other than stating the fact that they failed, none of the rest of your statement is what I said.. Do you know what fallacy it is called when you do what you just did? Seriously look at **how** you are arguing now, can you not see you devolved from being respectful to a bad-faith argument?

@quinn There are examples of it in all countries that dont have single-payer, however no country has actually enforced it as a rule across the whole country. So generally they exist as a small minority of the overall ecosystem at the moment.

@quinn Again another non-sequitor.. which of the two systems is the best, and the fact that 100 or 1000 years ago systems were worse has abosolutely no relevance to the argument.

Generation after generation we look at our healthcare as the best compared to what came before, human progress is improvement... if anything the fact that healthcare now is vastly improved overall than healthcare in our past is a strong indication there are significant improvements to healthcare that have yet to be discovered. No doubt in a few generations those that look back on both american and european healthcare will see it as barbaric to the systems they use in the future, much as we feel when we look a few generations back.

@threalist

Thats all true, and I dont disagree with this statement. I just feel the poor having good access to healthcare (not just emergency care) is **vital** to helping them get out of poverty and thus shouldnt be overlooked.

@quinn