🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@AmpBenzScientist hahaha classic

@futurebird

Thats true as well. Though there are tools that tell you what a normal wage is for a specific job and skill level. So everyone involved knows when someone is low balled even without open wages.

I myself beleive that s good employee is worth paying a fair wage because thats how you get good loyal work out of ghem.

@mike805

@futurebird

Well its sorta doubke ended.. with an ope wage system everyone is driven closer to the mean, so the poor negotiators bring everyone elses wage down too.

Ideally people would learn to be better negotiators, perhaps teach and train it in school, but ideals arent reality either.

@mike805

@theogrin yea well sadly in most things in life the people who dont have morals the shackle them down will likely have the most to gain... less rules to slow ya down.

@futurebird

Yea if your not a strong negotiator you will likely get pretty badly taken advantage of. No doubt youd have a huge advantage with open salaries, but on the flipside disadvantage to the strong negotiators or those with exceptional skills well above the mean.

@mike805

@Homebrewandhacking

Lol what a moron.. cant even have an adult conversation without announci g to everyone your blocking people for dari g to have an opinion that isnt a kirror image of your own... luckily everyone else in this conversation is mature and can have a productive discussion.

@futurebird @mike805

@futurebird

People are paid by their skill not the amou t of work they do, but that aside i cant speak to your situatio or skills. I also dont know how hard you negotiated for your pay. Perhaps you just werent a touvh negotiator and you got low balled.

My first job at 15 as a programmer paid me 100k, ive never been paid less than that a day in my life. But companies tried and i always negotiated a good pay in the end if i demanded what i was worth, i also always made sure to interview at 30 places at a time so i coukd have tons of competing offers.

@mike805

@theogrin

There is no shortage of investors who cause harm... if we narrow the criteria down then surely there are tons of bad apples. I just felt its important to note there are a great many investors out there who care about all the stakeholders and are doing their best to do whats right for everyone.

@futurebird

Depends on the industry... for tech ive seen no secret wages completely destroy a company. You loose all the people who are your top players and left with a very mediocre and under performing group... i tech you always need those few people who are miles ahead of the crowd (and paid for it) fixing the problems no one else can while everyone else does the bulk of tbe busy work... this dynamic isnt as critical in many other i dustries so you can get by with open wages without it being a company killer

@mike805

@theogrin

I suspect your thinking more about the old-money type investors or even just boomer investors in general. They tend to be old fashioned and stuck in their ways which is more the issue than anything else. Many of the younger investors, really almost anyone under 50, is going to have much more modern kind of thinking in my expierence.

@mike805 @futurebird

@AmpBenzScientist im sure its a good hardy meal, and to be frank i can enjoy most cusines... but i notice the list of ingredients is suprisingly lacking when it comes to spices ;)

@futurebird

Thats probably more due to the circles you keep than an honest sampling of the public... there are tons of industries not known for having unions and that is directly due to the tendency for members of that community specifically not wanting them.

@mike805

@theogrin

I think its hard to classify all of us investors into one bucket. There are of course many who focus on short term gains, and for many investors thst may cost them their support in the long run. But i think youll find investors and the rich are so monolithic and do t fit the stereo type of the oil tycoon archtype as much as youd imagine

@mike805 @futurebird

@braindouche if only your child self knew about soft lead pencils then... the softer the lead the closer to black they get.

@futurebird

Doing things the right way isnt always easy, i agree it would probably take a lot of reform. But its better than taking away peoples rights. But as hou probably know our government really doesnt function well enough to do things the right way, so what can we even do i guess.

@mike805

@theogrin

As an investor class i am also probablh one of the biggest pushers of work from home and think offices for many jobs are outdated and pointless.

I think your confusing a broken media with investors, many of us dont think like that.

@mike805 @futurebird

@futurebird

Unions are great. No one in thr conversation, even me, the evil investor class, is pro union... so long as workers can choose to leave the union and nonunion workers have the same chance of being hired as union then it has my support.

@theogrin @mike805

@futurebird

I know id never join a union but i support the right of others to... i am responsible for all hiring and firing at my company. I once had to lay everyone off for 3 months. I specifically encouraged them to unionize to negotiate better share compensation for that. I am pro union, i think its in employees best interest. But id also never want to be in one myself.

@mike805

@futurebird

Keep in mind these union agreements thst force employees into unions also stop employees from starting competing unions that might serve the employees better as well.

@mike805

@futurebird

Absolutely, and i am all for laws that might address those concerns. I think there should be strong anti union busting laws for sure. But in the end employees shoukd have a right to decide how and if to join a union.

@mike805