🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@bnlandor

I think its far more complex than just that... for sure... but there is a big negotiating pressure from having skills.

@futurebird @mike805

@futurebird

There are a lot of gurus that dont really care to make the big bucks... there is a lot of stress and pressure if you do honestly. For me to take advantage of my own abilities i have to consukt which means im always needing to line up new work every 3 to 12 months. There is alos a lot of pressure and a demand to work long and craxy hours.

@jens @mike805

@mike805

I wouldnt say that an accurate definition of either.. i fact what you describe sounds more like corprotacracy than capitalism.

@futurebird

@theogrin certainly not every union... it is very very common to have jobs where their avreement requires them to hire union workers and ghere is no option to jire nonunion

@jens

I mean maybe you just had some dumb management that hjred some shitty coder who convinced everyone he was the bees knees... that does happen.

But there is a legitimate need for high paid gurus. But thats only as good as your managements ability to identify and hire an actual guru and not just someone faking it.

@mike805 @futurebird

@mike805

Id argue that isnt capatilsm at all.. capatilism is not "no rules, mo ey buys all".. capitalism by definitio are markets where supply and demand market pressures are allowed to freely determine price.. if you can "buy off" the system it isnt a free markrt by definition.

@futurebird

@mike805

Hahah well yea except people argue antitrust is a heck against capatilism because a true and pure capitalism is bad (i am all for antitrust laws though)

@futurebird

@mike805

Yea as tends to be the problem with the socialist model is therr is less incentive to do well if you know others will carry you along.

@futurebird

@futurebird

Capitalists wshoukd have the option to work together or not while the socialist woukd be forced to see eachothers papers to be fair ;)

@mike805

@theogrin

Except when you give people the option to join, presuming its a good union that serves their interests well, then thry will. So its a moot point. The only time unions become in effective and loose their power is when thry stop serving everyone and only try to serve the majority at thr expense of the minority. In which case they deserve to loose their power.

@mike805

If a company is large enough they will usually have a guru on staff who hops projects and cracks heads to get things fixed and grease the wheels... their a neccesity simply becausr there are usually a few tough problems your average coder isnt equiped for.. usually time complexity issues where your average programer just isnt math/algprithms trained so is just not capable of solving it.

@jens @futurebird

@sanae

No doubt there is unfairness in hiring, but women are paid less in unions too, so those issues are less about unions.

@futurebird @mike805

@theogrin the difference is that a board can just fire a ceo, they have limitations i when and how, ceos have a level of autonomy. Just as a board has a certain level of autonomy against thrbinvestors that ellect them.

@jens

Trust me when i say no one wants to pay my sort of fees, so usually by the tine im hired or gurus in general (as they call us in tech) its a last minute desperate attempt when they have no other choice. If we wetent a neccesity we wouldnt exist.

And your right we do tend to be horrible for team dynamics, we have an ego and we are quite demanding and usually demand of people things thry dont want to do or object to... but in the end we save thr company and fix the roadblocks no one could. We woukd t keep getting hired if we didnt.

@futurebird @mike805

@theogrin the difference is that there are protections in what an investor or a board can dictate, they are very limited... investors can not directly tell a board how to vote. Likewise a board can not tell a ceo how to operate the company with regard to day to day business. Thry are limited to only being allowed to decide on certain types of things, like allocating shares and other things.

A union however has a lot more power, for example calling strikes.

@jens

Ive saved far too many companies from failure and seen the neccesity of, well me, too many times to buy the fact thst im a myth, lol

@futurebird @mike805

@jens

Nothing can be further from the truth... without those exceptional people you ru into bugs and problems that are simply u solvable by anyone in the team. Ove seen it countless times.. hell i am that person, i get hired on teams thst have not had a top expert for their lifetime and so riddled with issues the code barely runs. Then after a few months of working there the products can finally be usable again and im paid accordingly.

I came in as a tech expert at my current company. Great group of folks but they were small and lacked a "guru".. spent 3 years trying to build a product but coukd t crack it. They needed to design a device able to detect covid off of the chamicals in someonea breath... after 3 years they were in the mid 70% on accuracy and just coukdnt break the 80% mark thry needed to crack in all thst time.. i came in, toom me a week to figure out why and 3 months to throw away all theirncode and start over. When i was done we had 91%.

Now dont get me wrong we needed the whole team, and now that i run the company i push for them all getting raises and treated fairly.. but with out a top paid expert like me the company woukd have never stoof a chance.

@futurebird @mike805

@theogrin unions have tons of benefits, as i said i stro gly support the existance of unions... im just against scenarios where people are forced into one specific union rather than having the right to choose how and if to unionize.