🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@ceoln @stux

Then stick to arguing about unjust structures rather than how much someone has earned for themselves.

@ceoln @stux

Communist really struggle with the simple concept that just because someone has a lot more than you doesnt mean you are suffering or in duress.

@ceoln @stux

Not according to every us court every, or for that matter any other court.

They are hugely different things. The fact that you can compete fornhire with multiple other employers or even work for yourself and do the same work as a contractor means you arent under duress and have many choices.

@ceoln @stux

So this is different than what you said. Its not about if onenparty has overwhlmingly more power at all. You are talki g about signing under duress, which obviously doesnt apply to communism/capitalism as you dont even need to take the employment contract at all, you can start your own company or just contract for your employer as well.

@ceoln @stux

Which law? Lets be specific.

@ceoln @stux

Who said equal power? Why would they or should they. You shoukd have the power you invested into earning.

@ceoln @stux

> Of course it is! Capitalism is when a worker produces $X of value, and that $X goes to the owner of the means of production that the worker used to produce the value; the owner then gives the worker a wage of some $Y << $X, and keeps the rest. (And mutatis mutandis for landlords, police, etc.)

But thats not accurate at all. In capitalism is where the owner lets the worker borrow their stuff to make stuff with, at a fixed agreement where both owner and worker get the cut they agreed to.

In communism the equipment is stolen from the person who worked to buy them.

@ceoln @stux

Not really capitalism is not defined as taking the things i paid for, again absurdity.

@ceoln @stux

Absolute nonsense.

@volkris Id argue this tactic garubtees an advantage always to the person selecting their piece.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

I havent asserted anything yet that needs backing up. Been dealing with your ego the whole time.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Why is it the people who always lie to themselves the most always say this.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

> Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You've lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest.

Its not, and i pointed out precisely why its intellectually dishonest. Sadly more than facts are needed to make an argument, they also need to stand up to logical consistenty, which I pointed out why they didnt here (you are using something that happens at a very small fraction as a benchmark to judge eh whole of the extremities).

Also the fact thatyou care more about "winning" than seeking truth is very telling inteeed.

> but apparently you don't live here and you don't see it.

No I live here. Moved back about a few months ago. While I do try to stay out of the country a lot I grew up here and know the lay of the land quite well. I've had a house int he USA for 20 some years.

> Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I'm curious, though maybe that was someone else

I did not. We are one of the oldest instances in the Fedi, and of course I was approached to sign the NDA, but I refused to do so.

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

When you live in a country of 300 million people then saying it happens everyday is not a rebuttal to what I said. There are fringe cases of terrorism, no doubt. and im not debating if that leans right or left. But its such a small microscopic part of the overall extremism using it to represent the whole picture of the extreme is, as I said, intellectually dishonest.

@lawyersgunsnmoney

Taking something that represents 0.00001% of the problem (terrorism) and using it as a model to equate the whole problem... now that is intellectually dishonest!

@stux

@ceoln

Not every fucked up message has an inverted equally fucked up one on the other side. But for every fucked up thing you can find there is an equal measure of fucked up (though perhaps unrelated) stuff on the other side.

For example the most extreme left has the view of "We should take away hard earned pocessions of people, everyone, and give it away to all the people who didnt work for it" I mean the counter to communism of "You can keep the things you earned" just doesnt have the same kick to it either.

@stux

@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux

Yes I am talking about the US, but really any english speaking country at this point is on its way there.

So when I pointed out the extremism of the right, which you just confirmed, you find that intellectually dishonest? Weird, but ok. First time I heard someone say i was intellectually dishonest while in the same breath literally spewing "counter" points that agree with exactly what I was saying, that the right (and left) have been quite extreme lately. Or are you one of those people who cant help but hear someone defending one evil entity simply because they criticize some other evil entity?