🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@JoBlakely Sincerely trying to understand a perspective is now sealioning... yea get out of here with that toxic anti-growth BS... you arent wanted.

@DemDifference Shame on you for showing non-normalized values.. I thought we were supposed to be the good guys sticking to facts?

@me_valentijn

I certainly do agree rules like this should not be allowed. For tons of reasons, and cultural discrimination, accidental or otherwise, is certainly one of them.

@LilHulkQ

@me_valentijn

Thanks for trying to answer, it is very much appreciated.

> It certainly is discriminatory in multiple ways, but what matters is that some of them are violating rights as a result of someone's identity in a protected class.

I guess this is what im trying to understand better. I see how it is discriminatory in general to damn near everyone, minority or not, in different ways.. but how it targets protected classes (minorities mostly) over nonprotected is what im trying to better understand here.

> It's easy for White hair to conform with those rules. Whereas Black children are left with few and often unreasonable options.

So if i understand the argument here isnt so much that long hair is more important to the identity of a minority than a white or anything like that. But your saying blacks with long hair dont have options to put it up and conform where whites do?

Is that something you could explain because im not sure i understand why a white person with long hair can put it up and has options where a black person can... cant both groups, despite their difference in hair wear it up? In fact, isnt it **easier** for blacks due to the nature of their hair than whites (in the sense that most black hair needs to be straightened to be long enough to fall past the shoulders where straight white hair is more natural).

Obviously i am probably missing something culturally important here, something to do with black hair I suspect.. Im just not sure what that is and would love to understand it better.

@LilHulkQ

@kilroy_was_here haha yea they have more space there.

But check out a APRS map sometime, you might be surprised how active the east coast is :)

@kilroy_was_here coil based traps yea :) All on the roof on my philly home, so very small footprint.

@kilroy_was_here Yup.. plus radials which you can see in my first reply.

@me_valentijn

Hmm I think I see the logic there... the idea that "short hair is professional" is generally a white-culture thing and therefore unfair to apply that in law, even if applied to black and white equally.

I will have to think on that point a bit, but I see where its going, sounds reasonable at first glance and is generally in line with why i am against dress codes in genera.

However the other side i am pondering is if "long hair is bad" is really a white culture thing at all.. afterall long hair being seen as normal and professional has been the case in both white and black cultures. It seems to me it is discriminatory against most cultures both black and white. Which makes it wrong and discriminatory still, just not sure if its so explicitly anti-black, its really just anti-expression of any culture.

@LilHulkQ

@pieist that too yea :)

@volkris That wouldnt surprise me.. typical media misinformation to get clicks...

@Darkayne I am sure you are right.

@earthworm

So is the argument here that the law, in and of itself, isnt racist. But it has been applied in a racist way?

@LilHulkQ

@LilHulkQ

I mean i am specifically making a post asking for clarification... Meaning i identified my possibility of ignorance and asking for someone to clarify it.

How is a request for someone to correct my ignorance somehow the opposite, willful ignorance? That seems odd.

> in May of 2020 in the same school district a federal judge ruled the district’s hair policy was discriminatory

Thank you for attempted to answer this, but that wasnt my question. I asked for what the logic or reasoning behind it being discriminatory. Knowing some judge ruled it to be discriminatory doesn't really answer that does it?

So apparently Musk is going to require **all** users pay to use twitter, no more free accounts of any kind.

Assuming this eliminates ads, might be the first move Elon made with Twitter that will make my personal experience better... not so sure about all the people who cant afford it though....

https://www.ladbible.com/news/technology/elon-musk-x-monthly-subscription-199584-20230919?source=facebook

@LilHulkQ While I am certainly against dress codes in public schools of any kind, im confused why they claim a policy that is neutrally written (simply doesnt hair past a certain length) somehow is a racial issue itself.

Now i think its fair to be concerned it was **applied** raciall and only use to attack this poor kid and letting whites who violate get a pass.. and that should be illegal and persued in court if that happened.

But reading the court case thats not what they are arguing. They are arguing the policy itself, even if uniformly applied, disproportionately attacks blacks... how does a length restriction on hair disproportionately target blacks on its own? I mean if anything the opposite, since the law is defined by length past ones elbows that would target straight haired people disproportionately while tightly-curled hair would form an afro and would take quite the effort to get an afro "below the elbows"...

So yea... while i dont know if he was discriminated against specifically im really having a hard time seeing where this rule, when applied evenly, would be racist. I would love to hear thoughts that might explain this.

@hozhoogoo

Yup sure was, which is why this thread is about me being upset someone implied all that effort had no effect on the numbers, particularly when its objectively a lie.

@georgetakei Oh we can believe it...There is no limit to the nonsense that man will say.

@binkle Thanks