🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@thor I would be hesitant to tell you how much choice you have and how much you are a victim of your own mental state... I dont think any has a right to dictate that onto an individual... Afterall some things may be pathological and quite hard to work against and simply calling it a choice certainly belittles that struggle.

That said I would say that these "choices" are something that one can overcome their baser programming with the right disciplin, psychiatry, medication or whatever is needed for most people.. some might be able to do it by willpower and going alone, some may need medical help, some may not be able to do it all because whatever their mental state is it isnt "treatable" because of some underlying disease.... whatever the case may be i would never judge you or anyone to make it sound like "simply a choice". It is "simply a choice" like choosing to stop cigs is.... you can do it, but its not simple.

@thor

I disagree, I dont think everyone tries their best... I know myself at least (who is the only person i have access to my own mentality internally)... for me I most certainly do not always try my best.

@thatguyoverthere

@TruthSandwich I do agree, its not a good moral excuse for people who abandon the left for the right.

But whether it is a morally justified reason for switching sides or not, the sad truth is, that **is** the effect it will have all the same.

@thor

I disagree it is something you are just wired for. If that were true then every homeless person I tried to help would have never have been successful financially as a result of that help. They demonstrated, at least to me, that you dont need to be wired that way, you just need to learn to change certain behaviors. Admittedly thats not easy and its a bit like breaking an addiction. But its far from impossible.

@saxis If someone on the left sincerely going "hey i want to understand this opinion some in my community have so I can maybe adopt it and learn".... and everytime they do that they get called a racist or sealion for daring to even ask questions... you really cant see how that would push people to hate the group and ultimately seek other groups?

People are emotional, when a group literally abuses its well meaning members, the end result is seeing your "opposing" group grow and thrive.

@JoBlakely

> Have you even met racism?

Did you really just ask a Native American, a race that has almost been completely eliminated due to genocide, if I ever met racism.... seriously!?

> I was meaning that the ruling of the school that suspended the child regardless of the Crown Act was wrong.

Completely agree fromt he get go, the rule itself was wrong, and the choice of the school to enforce it also wrong. This would be true regardless of any racial component but doubly so if there was some racial bias at play as well (which is likely).

> You want to understand "why it disproportionately affects Blacks, when it should not." It's because there are NO good reasons outside of racism and having rules that can and will be arbitrarilarly & disproportionately enforced by racists at will. It's because of racism

That is perfectly fair, and I said exactly this early on and agree with you. The problem is by this logic **all** rules of any kind and of any nature are wrong because racists will ultimately be the ones applying it... My point is that if the rule itself isnt racist (and im not even convinced of that mind you) then fine, lets just admit that and focus on the problem of racists applying rules, which would seem to be the real problem... however if it is racist in **addition** to racists also applying it then we (and specifically me) should better understand why it is racist so we can better see and identify other rules that are racist.

This is supposed to be about learning and attacking people and calling them sealions when someone makes a sincere attempt to understand another POV and consider it as one they may want to adopt... that hurts everyone on the side of good here, everyone.

@LilHulkQ

@thor

No problems there at all. I wasnt trying to give you a hard time for your personal choices.

Just trying to point out that these small repeated choices in the present do really have an effect on long term financial success... that said as you point out that may be a tradeoff that is worth it to you, and that is fine.

@thor

Thats perfectly fine.. there is nothing wrong making the conscious choice to sacrafice a better future for a short-term immediate pleasure... I think its just important we dont frame that as a choice that has no effect on our future financial success when it does.

@realcaseyrollins Oh my mistake :)

@realcaseyrollins I mean, these are just the english rules from like 500 years now :) You can find sex and gender clearly a sepretaly defined in older dictionaries... this isnt new :)

@thor you certainly arent wrong that spending on things that make you mentally healthy and happy are neccesary too.. Im not claiming you shouldnt be spending on anything... My only point is, cutting back on those small every day expenses absolutely is a mentality and practice needed to get out of poverty.

@thor Very true, but as someone who has played the game and won, and who have helped many people do the same (I tutor others to be successful, and many times given homeless people a place to live along with that to get them to a place of success)... with that expiernce I'd say I have a pretty good knowledge base to judge what isnt and isnt effective.

@JoBlakely

I dunno, the ruling seems like a good one since, as I stated, it absolutely makes cultural assumptions and violates freedom of expression.

But i do agree its kinda small compared to the real sorts of racism out there and the kinds of rulings that mean something that we should be seeing and dont.

@LilHulkQ

@thor Not in the least... it really adds up and is quite vital to getting out of poverty... I speak as someone who started life in the welfare system and found my way out.

@thor Every rich person I have ever known has been frugal with small day to day expenses both before they got rich and after.

While you can of course be successful without the need for that, it is a mentality and approach that, more often than not, is necessary to see success.

@LilHulkQ

GTFO with that toxic shit.. I am sincerely here trying to better understand the perspective in the hopes I can adopt it. The disgusting toxic shit you two are trying to do to make that seem like some racist undertone is disgusting. Especially when, as someone who is not white myself, is part of a victim of that same discrimination, so clearly I would care.

Shame on you for creating a toxic environment where minorities cant simply discuss topics in the hope to understand a perspective without being villanized...

And for the record no one made any "relentless request" of you or anyone.. what a disgusting way to frame an earnest question asked in the open for anyone who **Wants** to answer it.

You **ARE** the problem, not the solution, at this point you are almost indistinguishable from the right trolling people with good intent.

@JoBlakely

Remember everyone, we have gotten to the point where sincerely wanted to understand a liberals opinion and politely and respectfully ask for their views in an attempt to consider them.... we call that sealioning now... yup.. and people wonder why so many people are all of a sudden supporting fring right wing shit... people like this have pushed all the rational people away from the left towards the middle and in some cases even all the way onto the right.

@lxo

Except that the current infection rates arent even half of what they were at the begining in the UK nor 1/10th of what they were in the begining in the USA.

So this is a lie that ultimately helps the anti-vaxxers since it suggests the vaccine did nothing, when in fact it made a HUGE difference in rates.