🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@vaartis The irony is linux probably saves me hours a day compared to doing the same tasks on windows.

@barryparr yea he used to follow me too.. dont worry once you criticism something he loves even a little that will change real quick :)

@barryparr

Apparently according to this clown even mentioning that is the same as "supporting the hamas" and worth a block... lol have fun.

@darnell

LOL another bhlock due to an opinion expressed respectfully... man people have some issues if they cant even hold a conversation...

But yea apparently pointing out the terrorism of Israel is appalling **in addition** to the terrorism of the hamas is being a terrorist sympathizer now...

People just make up hyperbolic shit like it doesnt make them look like a fool... sorry it does.

@darnell

Man you are a disgusting human being to try to play the "you support terrorism card" when someone explicitly states the Hamas actions are unacceptable but I spport the **people** of palestine.. the hamas isnt the people.

For you to twist my words **intentionally** when you know its a lie... yea sorry but until now you were generally a decent dude, but you can fuck off with that dishonest BS.

@darnell

You mean like how israel didnt exist in 1930? Yea what about it? Doesnt make it their ancestral land, doesnt make it not the arabs ancestral land.

Just a reminder... While the jews are obviously wrong for taking land from the palestines in modern time the argument has always been "well its our ancestral land"... well even that is more or less a lie.

Below is the original borders of Israel in Blue (some might consider Judah part of it since they were jewish, but it was a separate country).

Regardless of if you consider the yellow and blue together as one it is obvious that most of ancient israel was contained in the borders of the modern bank.. and at least half of modern day israel was never part of the ancient lands of israel according to its first borders (obvious we dont count places it invaded as that isnt their ancestral land).

No matter how you slice it #Israel is in the wrong here and #Palestine is an occupied country.

@darnell

I clarified multiple times I do **not** sympathize with hamas.. I sympathize with Palestinians.

I have said the hamas tactics, while no worse than that of Israel, is a war crime and deplorable, like the acts of Israel are.

That isnt sympathizing with hamas, and I dont know why I have to repeat myself on that.

@darnell WEhy would I check out a map of israel after he took someone elses ancestral land from them? We are talking ancestral land, not land that was taken through conquest... which means if they expanded later the land they expanded into was NOT their ancestral land, it was the arabs.

@darnell

Wait, expanded their borders? I thought you were claiming their anctient right to the land.. sot he **first** borders... once they expanded borders and took the land from the arabic people 2000+ years ago then how does that magically become jewish land, is that land they expanded into the "ancestral land of the arabs" by your same logic?

Oh wait so any land jews take over becomes their ancestral land? Its now a one way bargain?

Dude your prejudice is showing.

@darnell

You literally just posted a map with the **exact same borderes** as the one I posted.... you think im erasing history? I even overlayed your map ont he mdoern to prove quite clearly you are the one erasing history.

@darnell and before you go and accuse me of errasing history as you do it yourself...

Here is a map of the original anctient borders of israel along with the modern ones including the west bank: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c4dcf634dca3d72ad29a72156d8498ad-pjlq

As can be clearly seen the west bank was almsot entierly anctient israel and the modern day location hey call Israel was **never** part of their kingdom.

@darnell There is nothing attached there.

You can find the anctient map of the kingdom of israel here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah#/media/File:Kingdoms_of_Israel_and_Judah_map_830.svg

As can clearly be seen it does not include the overwhelming majority of Israel...

YOU need to stop erasing history it seems and replacing it with your own.

@darnell And for the record even if we accept the argument its their land from 2000+ years ago.. anctient israel was NOT where modern israel is. The kingdom of israel from 1000 BC to its fall occupied the terroritory that is now the west bank and just a little bit of modern israel on the left... The vast majority of the land considered israel was **never** part of the anctient kingdom of Israel.

@darnell

> The victor in a warring conflict typically keeps the land. That is the vast majority of human history, even up into the modern age.

Not really, at least not ethically and not usually without internation disgust and decleration of war crimes.

Russia did this with a few locations and there was international outrage, we are even doing our best to support Ukraine to stop it.

Can you actually name a modern war where the land taken was kept and wasnt recently (last 100 years) taken from them first? I cant think of one.

They didnt gain back their land.. it was 2000 years ago and it wasnt even "theirs" 2000 years ago.

@darnell

I am glad to hear that, arguing from a point of expiernce is important... But sounds like you went to the beach.. but it sounds like you avoided allt he worst atocities like Gaza, so apparently you didnt get the full picture of how they are treated or their living conditions. It is awful.

@darnell

Holy hell man... you think a people who were part of a country that fell 2000 years ago has a right to come back and take land from people living there for 20+ generations and put them all in little ghettos because they were "there first"...

When you take land in a dfensive war you do so only with the intention of ending the war, and ultimately giving it back. Again germany is the example here, we split up berlin and fenced them in, but **never** took it for ourself, the intent waws to give it back once we were sure the govt would behave... and we did..

The isralis never did that, they took land and say "nah no matter what this is ours, lets build condos!"

Not the same thing man, not the same thing at all.

@darnell I lived there for years up until just a few months ago... I've seen it first hand from both sides (I was there to conduct business in Israel but I made it a point to spend time with the paletinians and take a deep look at the conflict).

Have you ever been there or bothered to see it. or you just taking sides from afar?

@darnell

> Last but not least, you sound like a #Hamas sympathizer, claiming #Israel 🇮🇱 is “worse.” I do not see Jewish folks publicly raping, & beating civilians in the streets.

No I am a palestine sympathizer.. but that doesnt mean i find what hamas did was ok... my general take on it is "Two war crimes dont make a right".

Yes israel did worse by comminting genocide and taking land from native peoples... starving them to death intentionally and letting them rot from disease is as bad if not worse than raping women and children in terms of overall suffering inflicted... To say israel is worse doesnt **excuse** the hamas at all.. it just points out there is another evil as well and that evil is just as bad or worse.