🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@xdydx

You may have missed it but later int he thread he said he was wrong about the equivalence.

Gotta give him credit for reconsidering his opinion.

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins Well no that approach can be one or two state.

In a two state solution israel only acts as a transitional govt. The goal being to install a good democratic non-terroristic govt then leave and allow them to self-govern once they can be trusted (it is likely a long process)... so int he end it can result in two separate states.

@realcaseyrollins Yes, if they did that from the get go they might have a leg to stand on as the good guy.

@realcaseyrollins hahaha what can I say, its a gift :)

@realcaseyrollins That makes me feel a bit better :)

@realcaseyrollins

Why you cant displace an entire population by telling the native people of a country to get the hell off the land?

Ummm... you do understand the most basic rule of war is you dont wage war against civilians right? like its way more basic thant he geneva convention buddy.

@realcaseyrollins

I am shocked you dont see the difference between moving in and taking over the government with a transitional occupation, vs literally kicking everyone who lived ont he land off of it and moving in your own people and taking the land for yourself to **live** on.

@realcaseyrollins No thats exactly true...

west and east germany was divided wwhile it was **occupied**.. while the govt were replaced and then given back to the people

At no point did we kick the germans off of their land and move in.. it was **occupied** not taken

@realcaseyrollins

Are you seriously sitting here and trying to say the soviets took germany for themselves and moved in?

This is exactly my point.. they **temporarily** occupied the land, they didnt kick the germans off of it and take it.. they let the germans stay, they moved in and controlled their governments temporarily until the government could be safely replaced and there was no fear of a repeat.. which they did.

You do realize germany today is all germans, because... and wait for it... they were never kicked out off their land and replaced by the victors....

@realcaseyrollins

> Surprising take TBH. Countries who win wars aren’t allowed to conquer the land? The #UN didn’t take any land from #Egypt? 🤔

The UN isnt a country, what are you on about they dont own **any** land.

> The #Israel vs. #Palestine war is the first time I’ve ever heard people say “no fair, you stole our land after we lost a war with you”. Like, I’m a lil surprised at what people think war is exactly.

What? What modern war do you know of where land was taken and people were ok with it?

Russia annexing georgia and people lost their shit.

Russia trying to annex Ukrain, people are upset.

WWII Germany kept 100% of their territory

Iraq war, Afghan war, 100% of territory kept by loosing sides.

Honestly what war can you even think of where someone took land fromt he other side **permanently** and people didnt loose their shit? I cant think of a single one.

@realcaseyrollins

When did I ever say that there wasnt a war (the war has been ongoing for 80 years) or that the hamas terrorism was justified? It is no more or less justified than the Israel gov't terrorism/genocide.. both side are int he wrong and I've stated as much many times.

@realcaseyrollins What nonsense are you on... No one in modern warfar has ever justified the taking of someone elses land.

In WWII the worst offender in terms of aggression in history, at least modern history, were the germans... completely unprovoked as well... They didnt loose **any** land. Why? Because most decent human beings see taking land in war as unethical.

@realcaseyrollins

You realize its still genocide even if people have babies right?

Here is some actual data about death tolls on both sides of this war up to 2020

@realcaseyrollins

Huh, intentionally keeping terrorism alive so you can justify taking land and committing genocide, particularly when your side is known for also committing terrorism is quite relevant.

@realcaseyrollins

Right, no part of that statement claims 100% of palestinians support Hamas.

Israel didnt exist before the jews started invading... They invaded and took something like 60% of the land, and kicked 100% of the people out of their homes on that land, managed to move them to the 40% or so of the land they were allowed to.. They literally relocated more than half of an **entire nation*.. cleared them off the land, and built on it.

It would have taken a **fraction** of the effort to not relocate anyone or take any land but rather occupy the territory like we did for germany, and replace the government entierly.. Replacing governments is **obviously** much easier than relocating 60% of a nation into the remaining 40% of the nation.

@realcaseyrollins

No I dont recall anyone saying that.

@realcaseyrollins LOL you think they have power to take 70% of the land away from them but not hte power to just occupy the land and depose the government... Come on man its a lot easier to occupy a country than to to literally kick 100% of the people off of it and take it completely over.

@realcaseyrollins paywalled cant read .. I also only read reliable (non-profit) journalism as a rule.

@realcaseyrollins No one has ever had a problem with them getting rid of Hamas..t he problem is thats not what israel has done.. every time they make war they 1) take land from the people 2) mostly engage in war crimes like using small children as shields (as has been discussed).

If what israel did, however, was Occupy the territory, actually remove the hamas, and then install a good government, this could have been solved a long time ago.

You wonder why they dont? Because as long as they let hamas "fester" then they can keep using it as an excuse to take more land.. solving the hamas would take away their one scapegoat for genocide, so of course they wont.

@realcaseyrollins

How do you expect them to do that, they are walled in and prevented from leaving and all the fresh water is on the israel side (why do you think they took that land from them!). The aquafier is pretty much almost an exact map of the borders of palestine!