🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@NicoleCRust

As a researcher with some overlap I wonder if some of the tech I've built and am building might be of help to him...

@AT1ST

You also have to consider it isnt just about how many are up for rent. Its how appealing it is to rent at all. If the price people were willing to pay was profitable more people would put their houses up for rent. So again its an economic issue not a qty issue as there are more than enough houses to fit people.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

So its not a qty issue at all if there are places to rent. Its a price issue. The price at which it would be worth it for the landlord is higher than you want to pay.

No landlord would go with a place not being rented at all if they wouldnt make enough money to make up for that by waiting for market-value.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

Ha!

@AT1ST

Oh sorry, thought you said Toronto for some reason.

But to the original point. Its still not a QTY issue, at best you can argue there is an issue with the economy in general, and I would generally agree. But the problem isnt the number of homes.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

I am watching the new #Disney movie The little mermaid. I am really enjoying how they used factually accurate (And in some cases not very well known) sea creatures. They also put a lot of attention into making their movements more or less accurate as well.

I was particularly excited to see the feather stars.

That said they arent region appropriate, I dont think I recall ever seeing a feather star in the Caribbean. I can let it slide :)

#TheLittleMermaid #LittleMermaid

@AT1ST

Here are 24 rooms for rent in manhatten/nyc area all under $600

https://www.cirtru.com/rooms-for-rent/manhattan-ny?upperPrice=600

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

Sure, one quick example (first hit) is $650, so 50 above what I said but fairly close:

https://www.spareroom.com/rooms-for-rent/ny/brooklyn/east_flatbush/102394071

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

Just checked Toronto. Studio Apt. for $350: https://www.zumper.com/apartments-for-rent/56143180/room-for-rent-willowdale-toronto-on

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@lovelylovely

To be fair I have literally never heard a republican say that. Most when discussing climate change seem to think they know better than scientists.

@AT1ST

I did a search when we first spoke for rooms for rent in Manhatten. I tried to pick livable locations (clean) at the low end of the range that popped up. They were ~$500 give or take $100. The lowest I saw was $300, Obviously the higher end goes almost as high as you can imagine though.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@johnfugelsang

And 4 years ago an actual Segregationist, a politician who spent the start of his career for years to keep segregation alive is now president.

I in no way can support Trump. But him speaking at a location loosely connected to a founding segregationist doesnt hold a candle to having Biden, a literal segregationist, as president.

@AT1ST

We arent talking about a number thats slightly off... your math error was off by an order of x3. Completely reversing the results. Even if you pull the numbers back to being $3 a meal you wind up with food being about the same price as rent for a cheap room in manhatten., so the point is still moot.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

Right, which is more (both in cost and space) than renting a room. Everythign above what you need is luxury. This is luxury, im not saying its MUCH luxury, but it is luxury.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

And you dont see the backpeddling your doing... Your whole argument was "look rent is more than double food". Then when you find out its the reverse, that food is actually double the price of rent now your trying to change the numbers **you** set and tweak the equations for it to still work out to your argument.

Can you not see the confirmation bias and back peddling right now? Clearly even when i turn out to be correct when **you** lay the ground rules, you still dont accept the conclusion and change the rules....

I will end the discussion there, I think that leaves you with enough to think about, and hopefully youll realize you werent being objective here and no matter what rules you set or what the facts said you wouldnt have changed your mind, as we see here.

Feel free to reach out on future discussions if youd like, I enjoyed it. Just saying if i cant convince you even when i play by your axioms and rules then there is no conversation left to be had.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

> "Look how big your house is" - I can stand from one end of it and look at the other end, and see all of it. It's not a multi-story studio apartment. And I'm *missing a bedroom*.

You are, presumably, a single person. You are not missing a bedroom. You have a whole home just for you, that is luxury, you have far more than you **need**. All a single person needs is a room to rent, anything more is a luxury. Nothing wrong with you having luxury, and being able to afford it. But it is more than what is needed to live.

> Oh, and this doesn't include utilities, so this is before resources I consume.

No utilities arent the only resource you consume. You are missing the biggest one, space.

> And it's not like I can't use some of the space to "Cheapen it out" - this is how it came.

The way you'd "cheapen it out" is by not getting a space that is more than what you need. You got more than you need and wanted the luxury of it, and you pay more than you need to pay for that luxury. No single tenant **needs** more than a room, but it is nice that rent is so cheap that you can afford the luxury of more than you need.

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2

@AT1ST

> Food has utility that you also need every day, but even at $10 a meal, that only comes up to ~310 a month.

$10 a meal is $10*3*30.. so $900. Which is double the cost of rending a cheap room in the most expensive area in the USA.

> To reach the amount I'm paying for rent, every meal I'd be eating would be $30. That's 4.5 avocado toasts...per meal, every meal.

No, you messed up the math, it is 1/3 what your calculating.

> That's a cost that would indicate that the "Thing you need" is being charged at luxury pricing, despite not being a luxury, but a thing people need.

Since your own example had an error in and the actual numbers line up with my own statement, since this was your example and convincing to you when it had the error does this mean you now change your mind and admit rent is cheap?

If not, ask yourself why was it a convincing argument with incorrect numbers and when the actual numbers show the exact opposite it suddenly stops being a convincing argument to you.

> There's no reason rent needs to be so high, anywhere.

I mean you were literally off by a factor of x3 in this comparison....

@MisuseCase @knittingknots2