🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@bonifartius The same people who push for electric cars from a political standpoint also tend to push for green energy. so your last point seems inaccurate.

As for free power stations, honestly that makes sense even if we didnt care about promoting electric cars. you're average electric car costs about $0.04 per mile in electricity.

So you need to consider the economic stimulus that occurs as a result. If there is a shopping district and I put a free charger in the area it might only cost a dollar or two to charge a car that comes and does shopping, but they will almost certainly spend more than that shopping and on the taxes. Even if you just place chargers less strategically the more people dont feel a financial burden by driving somewhere, perceived or otherwise, the more they will drive the better the economy.

Lots of people can and do ask about the resources going into building these cars. If you compare it to the resources that go into gas cars I would imagine you wont see a huge difference on the base parts in terms of enviromental impact. But you would likely notice that by eliminating the need to change your oil or to use gasoline the positive impact is significant.

@Diptchip Lovely gun! You must be having fun!

@fikran Indeed.

@mathlover

@mathlover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki

@mathlover

I suspect it is more likely that the democrat party winds up loosing its power as a party and is replaced by a new liberal party. If you look at patterns of past party reversals it tends to follow ideological extremism and is very abrupt. In other words the party goes from having a near 50% hold over votes to almost 0 from one election to the next one, and it always seems to be the party that is on the ideological fringes/extremism with little tolerance to anyone on its half of the spectrum not at the fringe with it.

This describes the democrat party to a T and while the republicans have plenty of members who are extremist overall they tend to have a much healthier acceptance of different ideologies.

I think the last two elections make it really obvious the democrats wont last much longer consider they couldnt even win against Trump, a man with a vocab of about 15 words, the first round and the second rand barely won by a hair's breadth and even then still somehow found the two politicians on the left who could possibly be worse than trump.

Only reason Biden won at all and only democrats have managed to stay alive for the lastfew years is they lean really heavy on the propaganda machine, it works, but that only works so long. Democrats wont buy a constant stream of propaganda for forever and they just to have the substance anymore to win on anything other than propaganda apparently.

Their days are numbered.

@Demosthenes

@mathlover Biden will do whatever is in his best interests, no matter how evil that may be. The moment it worked against him to propose segregationist policies he stopped proposing them.

The concern is not that he will actually enact segregationist policies. The concern is that he has demonstrated he is so exceptionally evil that his ability to make morally conscious choices is completely lacking.

Last time he held any sort of power was as a vice president. He and Obama felt it was ok to murder a 16 year old citizen with no trial at the time. So clearly he has gotten worse from a moral perspective since his segregation days, not better.

@hansw@mastodon.social Hahaha, very happy to hear that :)

@jeff@pl.i2p.rocks No that cant be. If something on the internet werent true it wouldnt be allowed on the internet anymore!

@Demosthenes Yes thats true.. like I said other forms of voting encourage a break from two-party entrenchment. so yea if you have a nation prone to latching on to a two-party fallacy mentality then other voting systems do a better job at protecting against that. I think we agree on that idea then.

But it is important for people to know there is no two party system as it stands now other than the illusion of one. There is no logical or reasonable reason one should vote two-party, your vote is no more effective in doing so.

@Demosthenes

I agree with everything you just said except the bit about having a two party system.

While first past the post voting system absolutely doesnt help matters when it comes to breaking the fallacy of a two party system, and I agree there are better systems if we want to encourage third party (I'd say instant run off voting is the way to go)... I dont think that it implies what you do.

FPTP doesnt guarantee a two party system, nor does a two-party system in any sense of a framework actually exists. We have plenty of historic examples both within the USA (9 times we have had third parties take the lead in the top 2 place and stay there), but also outside of the USA where in the past countries with FPTP voting did not result in 2 party systems (and in some cases parties numbers in the tens of dozens or even approaching 100).

We can easily reason that a two-party system doesnt really exist except in the minds of the american people. It is the result of a fallacy in their reasoning and has mostly been unique to them as a population and not associated with anything to do with our system. It stems from the "lesser of two evils" fallacy. It basically boils down tot he fact that as long as people beleive "the other guy" is the worst imaginable evil, to the point that any evils from your side are insignificant no matter how bad they look in isolation... in that case people will usually vote keeping with the status quo. They wont rock the boat for fear that it might be tot he advantage of the other side. there is no basis for reality there.

@rgx

Alright, though still not sure how that is relevant to Trump who has not reached the supreme court and therefore has not had the chance to be tested to see if he would accept their ruling or not.

So still seems like, at best, an irrrelevant comparison, and at worse, an unfair one.

Here is the thing, we have agreed since day one Trump isnt a suitable president. so arguing that it is time for change isnt really up for debate, we agree. If you and others were rallying behind a moral person (which in this case would be any of the third party options) then that would even be a respectable stance.

But thats not how it played out, people actively showed support and made excuses for Biden, a person who was so commited to segregation he started his whole career riding a pro-segregation agenda. So great, you faught against Trump and got him out of office, I am happy for that... But you replaced him with a far more ethically deplorable president.

**Here we are, the end result being the first Segregationist as president in living history**... points for intent, points for getting trump out of office. Next time how about supporting someone and doing it in a way that doesnt make matters worse. Again, never have been so ashamed to be American than today.

@issdeinschnitzel @design_RG

@issdeinschnitzel

ahh I see, thanks for sharing that. I think Rob does recognize that, though for some reason he thinks Gore's 36 day fight to the top of the court system over something that wasnt even fraud was "graceful" while trumps not even 24 hours of talk about fighting actual fraud (presuming it turns out to be true) is not graceful. which is more the disconnect.

Though I fail to see how one is anymore graceful than the other. Well except for trumps usual lack of charisma.

@rgx @design_RG

@issdeinschnitzel

With all due respect, im not sure the point being made by highlighting that quote. I beleive the statements made in that quote are known and accepted by all members in the conversation, not sure it is adding anything. Though I may just not be understanding what point you are trying to make so please feel free to clarify if so.

@rgx @design_RG

Its taken me a few days to really come to grips with the fact that **America now has its first segregationist as president in living history**.

What a dark and shameful day for America. **I truly am ashamed to call myself a US citizen** :(

I had so much hope back in 2008 when I voted for Obama and still believe in the Democratic party. But Obama was a disgrace and I regretted that decision ever since. It has been nothing but downhill since then, each time getting worse.. .First Bush with the Patriot act, Then Obama & Biden murdering US citizens and extending the Patriot Act, Then Trump generally being an idiot, and Now Biden a segregationist as president.. Can we sink any lower?

@rgx

Well sorta agree.

While I dont know what evidence he has yet, and that will determine if he is in the right, I can say taht simply believing in election fraud and being wrong (A commonly held belief as few us trust the american government) isnt all that damaging. At worst that makes him what we already knew he was, an idiot, not much more.

@design_RG

@design_RG We have the first Segregationist as an American President in living history...

This is a dark day for the USA, never have I been so ashamed to be a US citizen than now.

@design_RG Personally I dont care if Gore or Trump go to court. Thats democracy, if people think things are unfair thats how we resolve it. I'm all for testing the accuracy and fairness of the election system.

What I do take issue with is the hypocrisy of people trying to play it off like Trump is undermining democracy and doesnt care about America by going to court.. especially after 4 years of democrats trying to overturn the election and after Gore did the same thing a few years ago...

@design_RG Ahh I see, yea no relevance here.