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@moth

Well yes thats true.. But PA was called for trump on all the liberal leaning networks I watched and didnt flip to biden until days after. I simultanious watched them call states live across 5 networks this year.

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@moth

I was in the USA for this election and for a few months prior. Though I am usually int he netherlands I live in both places.

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@moth

I appreciate that, and no worries.. You were slightly grating with the head in the sand comments and the way you went about it. but I didnt feel you crossed the line. To me there is a clear line of respect.. calling someone names crosses that, simply stating that you think someone is ignorant or chooses not to see something maybe be a negative judgment but it isnt rude to state.

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@realcaseyrollins

did the other outlets convince them, or did the numbers convince them (which may have been the incorrect numbers if fraud exists mind you). the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.

Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others, meanwhile fox had some fake numbers and they were fooled because the other news outlets cooperated?

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@meowski

If you think calling me stupid is going to convince me to invest time into reading your time line then you really arent very good at this. If the very first words you speak show you arent even in emotional control of your own behaviors then clearly I wont consider you very high on the list of people worth listening to. Now if you'd like to try again (I will give anyone a pass) then I dont mind considering your points.

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@moth

Sooooo.,... I'm exactly where I was when I started.. and no its here: "There is no evidence of fraud committed by the Democratic party to rig the election that I have seen yet" Pretty much exactly where I was when I first spoke... and again remember I still welcome evidence.

The only thing is when I first spoke I was not explicit on what I meant by fraud, yes my mistake, but so far I havent seen any new evidence in that regard eitehr.

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@realcaseyrollins

Except they dont act in concert.. A bunch of news is biased left, a bunch of news is biased right. So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do. Half of them agree on one thing, and the other half agree on the opposite thing.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@moth

Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?

I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?

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@realcaseyrollins

To be clear I was referring to evidence that there had been some orchestrated effort by officials to commit voter fraud. The case of individuals committing fraud on their own, without cooperation from officials, and at the risk of arrest is relevant, but not what I was referring to when I stated it..

The legal arguments would be far more complicated if we talk about random extremely small scale individuals committing fraud considering they would include both fraud in favor of democrats and fraud in favor of republicans. So while this is something that could be shown at very small scales (or maybe larger if there is evidence to show it, who knows) that's going to be a tough case to argue.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@icedquinn I would need to see links to these incidents to get a sense of them. But yes those could be potential problems.

@icedquinn Ahh yes my fault, you are correct. But still, the fact taht it was caught, and caught early on, suggests that the correct preventive measures are in place, at least in this case. So still seems like a counter example.

@icedquinn It would seem they already charged and arrested this women by noon on election day the 5th, before the votes even began to be counted at all.

Therefore isnt this an example of a lack of fraud, not an example of a fraud problem.

Seems to be evidence of the exact opposite in this case.

@icedquinn how do you feel the "not enough to matter" issue should be handled? If, just saying if, there was only a tiny bit of fraud and most people think it is "not enough to matter". I presume you disagree, so how would you respond if that were the case (presuming the fraud was only a very small number of cases)?

@icedquinn How is this lady related to Democratic party? Have a link?

@icedquinn There is no evidence let alone comvvincing evidence that I've seen. Though feel free to share with me any solid evidence and I may change my mind.

What I have seen is lots of examples of errors. But as we know from the Gore trials errors do not imply and are not sufficient to argue fraud, which requires intent. Without intent Trump has about as much evidence as Gore had.

@realcaseyrollins

Sure, if he has actual evidence I welcome him to present it. So far even if there is fraud he hasnt produced a single bit of evidence and, well, he isnt a man who tends to be very good at accomplishing what he says he will so I dont have high hopes until I see some.

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@icedquinn

No, but he will be.

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