🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@charliebrownau@liberdon.com

Trans isnt even the topic of the OP. We are talking about how people are born, not if or how they choose to transition later in life, thats a different topic.

@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@meowski

yes it had transrights hashtag, it effects their rights, My statement asserted nothing about trans people however, so the point still stands.

>you've been indoctrinated. you're in a radical left wing environment so you probably feel obligated to make these idiotic statements to suck up to the power structure.

What the hell are you talking about. Trump and his family have literally had dinner with my family before he ran for president, as have quite a few republicans congressmen. Not only is my environment clearly not only left, I've had direct involvement with conservative politicians.

> it takes a special kind of person to do real science in such a hostile and highly politicized academic climate, so i don't entirely blame you for this partisan sniveling

Keep talking out of your ass, you dont know the first thing about what environment I'm in.

> but if you do it on fedi you're going to get some pushback.

It had exactly the result I wanted it to have on the fedi.. It exposed the value, contribution, and education of many people to help me decide how much time or energy to put into future interactions with them. I got exactly the outcome I was hoping for, no complaints

@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@xyfdi@gameliberty.club

I did some pretty extensive research on this when I looking it over using the techniques I was taught when i worked for the government modeling disease proliferation. Its pretty confident IMO to blame this on the protests.

@Science

@meowski

I never mentioned trans once.. intersex isnt trans.. Trans is a person who is undergoing surgery to transition, intersex is someone born far enough away from the extremes of the spectrum to not consider them fitting descriptions.

@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7

@SwampWitchHerbalist

1) none of what you posted refered to intersex as being a defect

2) some causes of intersex can cause defects, others do not.

A prime example would be androgen insensitivity syndrome. The person will have XY chromosomes but appear entierly female without any indication on the outside of being intersexed in many cases. Nothing about that would be seen by a casual observer as being a defect.

@a7

@realcaseyrollins I stand corrected.

@djsumdog

Funny, was thinking the same thing about you.. you literally pulled percentages out of your ass twice (mine came from actual numbers published by doctors)... go figure.

@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar

@meowski

Here is a more nuanced paper that disagrees with what your saying and goes into details about how sex detmination is **not** strictly chromosomal but depends on the **expression** of those genes and thus must consider the entire pathway (literally what I said earlier):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4880855/

It goes into some detail as to how various sexes can and do arise contrary to their genes.

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@realcaseyrollins

the controversy today was spurred by a congresswoman literally saying there are only 2 sexes, not genders. In fact she went out of her way to have the word sexes printed on her little sign... So clearly your not speaking accurately of conservatives.

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1364719403498164226

@djsumdog

No the number is 2% if we use the broadest definition of intersex, small when other definitions are used.

Thre is no specific % however that is "right" since sex is a spectrum, so the percentage is defined wholly by where you place the cutoff. So its a self referential measure that really doesnt help much.

@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar

@meowski

No gonads (sex organs) are primary sex characteristic, your own image says it int he first line.

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@meowski

Your link literally disagrees with you and says pretty much exactly what I already said, that sex is determined by your reproductive organs (gonads) and your function.. The image you just posted says exactly that, it is determined byt he gonads.

As we determined earlier the genes is certainly something that determines that, and often goes hand in hand, but it is not the defining quality (as your own image you just pasted states).

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@djsumdog

The 99.9% figure is wholly false. Though you would be correct if you said that true intersex in the middle of the spectrum is rare.

As for if they can reproduce or not, I wont argue that many can not... so what? A person doesnt cease having a sex when/if they become infertile. That really doesnt mean jack.

@StarAStar

@meowski

Sure thing I can post a source. In fact I already did earlier in the conversation, it has almost the exact wording I use (reporductive organs, function):

"Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"

-- The American Heritage Medical Dictionary

Notice the definition says nothing about genetics.

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@a7

It is such an obvious fact it really doesnt need to be expressed as anything more than common sense or accepted science... I entierly expect the few morons who cant see past their nose will come out of the wood work.. thats not who the post is for, but it does serve my purpose to know who are the morons who arent worth giving attention to in future conversations and who are bright enough to have valuable input on future discussions..

gotta throw a goose egg out from time to time to weed out the idiots and keep the timeline clean.

@yarra @georgia

@georgia

The OP was never about the physical act of sex, we are talking about what sex a person is.. so if you are talking about something else, thats fine, thats not the topic.

@yarra @a7

@meowski

According to biologists sex characteristics are how sex is determined yes.. saying it isnt so doesnt make it so.

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@georgia

Yup as expected the medical dictionary says pretty much exactly what I just said, that sex is defined by ones reproductive organs (not the gametes) and ones function. The exact wording is as follows:

" Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"

-- The American Heritage Medical Dictionary

@Agni @yarra @a7

@meowski

And that is incorrect.. the genes are of course one aspect that determines sex, it is NOT the only one. The expression (what you physically develop) and your function (how you behave and what you can do) are all aspects of what determines sex, and in fact the more common definition you will find.

@StarAStar @icedquinn

@georgia

looks like someone needs to open up a medical dictionary. They are defined by their reproductive organs and the function (expression) of their genetics, which entails a rather long complicated list of what constitutes function in any one species.

You will never find any medical dictionary defining sex **solely** on the basis of gametes, in fact you likely wont even find the word games in the definition in most medical dictionaries.

One sec let me get mind and find their exact wording.

@Agni @yarra @a7