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@anon00110

Cool story bro.

@icedquinn @madmike @Coyote

@Coyote Hydrochloride is not banned in the USA, the FDA revoked its emergency use for COVID but it is still very much allowed to be used for malaria.

I dont argue that the vaccine is an experimental drug, so that point is moot.

@anon00110

Not remotely true, but think what you wish, I have no desire to argue with you.

@icedquinn @madmike @Coyote

@anon00110

It is hardly the only study, there are plenty of studies that all find similar results with different variations in the cocktail or the parameters of the study

This topic has been done to death.. its quite obvious it is **not** a treatment for COVID suitable to the general public. At best it may be a last resort effort for extremely high risk people who contract COVID, and even that is a maybe.

@icedquinn @madmike @Coyote

@icedquinn

Furthermore in other studies at higher doses there was found to be some minor positive effect on COVID recovery, however it caused significant increase in heart arrhythmia and overall the death rate went up not down as a result. For this reason it is absolutely not effective as a general treatment.

However, as I said, if you are at extremely high risk of death from COVID then it may be a viable treatment as the risk from COVID would therefore outweigh the risk of arrhythmia. But even then your chances of surviving in general arent good.

So yea, it isnt completely not effective at all, but it is not itself or in combination with other things, an effective treatment. There are many peer reviewed studies showing that at this point.

@madmike @Coyote

@icedquinn

Sorry paste error, fixed it.

@madmike @Coyote

@icedquinn

Incorrect. Peer reviewed study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7215635/

Quoting study:

"Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality."

@madmike @Coyote

@icedquinn

Not really, but sort of... there is evidence if given very early on in the infection with a cocktail of other things that it can slightly improve your chance of survival IF and only if, you have an extremely high risk of dying of COVID in the first place (have many comorbidities). However for a normal healthy person taking it in the early part of the disease or otherwise poses more of a risk of you dying from the treatment than from COVID itself.

For that reason it is completely useless as both a preventative and as a treatment however for seriously ill people who contract covid and likely to die from it it **may** give them a small fighting chance. I say may because there isnt enough evidence to support that and it is still being researched, though using it on the general public has already shown to not be a viable treatment.

@madmike @Coyote

@Coyote

Its not about the research links, I have read many on both side. Its the fact that you drew and incorrect conclusion about the medication as an effective general treatment, which it is not.

@madmike

@Coyote I didnt say anything about name calling, that is another matter entirely.

@madmike

Incorrect... while you can find epidemiologists and virologists that will believe just about any nonsense the overwhelming experimental evidence is that no, it is not effective and safe as a treatment for covid.

@Coyote

@Coyote

Probably would help if next time you dont lead in with that hydrochloride stupidity. Yea there are legitimate concerns with the vaccines as they were rushed past the usual safety checks. But your other comments destroyed your credibility.

@madmike

@zure

You really do, the difference is very noticeable. Your best bet is a proper fish market.

@nanook

@timorl yea, ill take a look though next time im tinkering int he source. Thanks.

@timorl hmmm, its always a pain to try to fix things I cant reproduce personally. I will try to fetch firefox and see if I see what you see.

@timorl Could be. I am on Brave at the moment which is basically the same in that regard as Chrome. So it might be the browser making the difference here.

@timorl Interesting. I am looking at it in column view right now and it doesnt appear to have the problems you mentioned. The formatting looks forrect for me and there are no bullet points only numbered and properly indented sections.

I wonder why it is rendering correct for me and not you...

@timorl @Vectorfield I dont see any formatting issues in your last post, maybe I'm looking at the wrong one? Screenshot and link would help.

@Diptchip Good to know, but there is really almost no condition in which I'd dive air (though it is common for beginner divers who arent certified to use anything but air).. For me ill almost certainly be diving either shallow with nitrox (higher concentration of oxygen than in air), or at depth with trimix (a mix of oxygen, nitrogen, and helium).

That said if you want to get into SCUBA since the entry level that most people stop at is air only it would be a great purchase for you for sure.

@nanook You can always buy it. Sorry about your dad though.