🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@augustus oh you meant some conspiracy theory nonsense, yea ok this conversation is over then.

@augustus So now a wet market with a bunch of unregulated animals in cages in poor conditions counts as "science"... yea ok

@augustus largely because no laws are being changed. They are just operating within currently established legal rights. I am not saying those are correct or appropriate. But its been this way for a long time and that makes it harder to change.

I am a little more than 1K away from hitting the 20K follower mark. Time to start planning the party :)

@bluejay You say that you are against the regulations, not the vaccine... which is fine, generally I agree with that.

But why are you upset with COVID vaccine being mandatory for military but not the fact that every other vaccine (many of which far more experimental and dangerous, ones the general public doesnt get) is also mandatory for them?

@Ivan_Ivanovich muted because you are either too much of an idiot to hold a conversation where you understand what is being clearly stated, or intentionally act like an idiot because you think it makes your argument stronger... either way, muted, bye.

@Ivan_Ivanovich Actually I said very much the opposite but your just not too bright and totally misunderstood what I said.

What I said was that using science as a political tool does politicize science, but the nature of science makes it more resistant to it than if we didnt have science and instead people just pulled whatever opinion they wanted out of their ass, which would be far more susceptible to politicization.

@Ivan_Ivanovich

Except that science has **never** been defined by the scientific method. Here is the definition of science from an 1800's dictionary:

1. In a general sense, knowledge, or certain knowledge; the comprehension or understanding of truth or facts by the mind. The science of God must be perfect.

2. In philosophy, a collection of the general principles or leading truths relating to any subject. Pure science as the mathematics, is built on self-evident truths; but the term science is also applied to other subjects founded on generally acknowledged truths, as metaphysics; or on experiment and observation, as chimistry and natural philosophy; or even to an assemblage of the general principles of an art, as the science of agriculture; the science of navigation. Arts relate to practice, as painting and sculpture.

A principle in science is a rule in art.

3. Art derived from precepts or built on principles.

@Boomerman @Bro-Drillard @lichelordgodfrey

@Ivan_Ivanovich Remove science then they just lean on people pulling whatever nonsense out of their ass to justify political messages. Hardly an improvement.

@Boomerman

The scientific **method** is a method for doing things.. science is not the scientific method, which is only a set of principles that exists within natural sciences as a process for doing experimentation.

How would you even apply the scientific method to a math proof?

Honestly im done here, its one thing that your an idiot, it is another that your an idiot who doesnt know it.

muted

@Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich @lichelordgodfrey

@Boomerman

Again you are using the word science wrong.. oh right i forgot you dont care about the dictionary, you make up your own defintions then act like they are universal objective facts... have fun with that made up world you line in.

@Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich @lichelordgodfrey

@Boomerman

Are you seriously complaining about the fact that languages change over time... Yea I'm pretty upset we dont still speak latin too ::rolls eyes::

@Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich @lichelordgodfrey

@Ivan_Ivanovich Nope, we have examples where it has been. But it happens far less so than when science isnt imposed (ie, systematic rigor). So while it reduces politicization it is hardly immune to it.

@Boomerman

And you continued it, by your own assertion that makes you a victim of dunning-kruger. I agree with you.

@Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich

@lichelordgodfrey

Yes I can agree with that. While climate change is serious and acting over short periods, it is often overhyped to induce fear as well.

@Boomerman @Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich

@Ivan_Ivanovich

Which explains why you are discussing it as well.

@Boomerman @Bro-Drillard

@lichelordgodfrey

Of course science, as it is shown to the public, is politicized and often wrong. The media in generally is horribly biased and anti-factual, that includes both liberal and conservative media (no media seems impartial in the USA).

There is a big difference between the actual science, and the science the general public thinks is science, which is largely just a narrative trying to use science to sell it.

That said your specific examples are completely incorrect.. climate change **is** real, though you wont get even a basic understanding of why by either side of the media, for example.

@Boomerman @Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich

@Boomerman

Of course you think you know better than professional linguists writing the dictionary as well.

Classic Dunning-kruger, you are right about everything you pull our of your ass as long as it sounds right to your uneducated brain.

@Bro-Drillard @Ivan_Ivanovich

@TrevorGoodchild

Thanks, typo corrected.

@Ivan_Ivanovich