🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@collin I really cant fly anything other than first class anymore... it really is worth it.

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

> Granted, but its not the only thing that's in overdrive and frivolous nowadays.

Agreed

> Which is why I said that it wasn't the problem, it was one symptom of the problem.

Also agree, it is more a symptom than the root problem.

> Hopefully if (normally I'd say when, but I'm not so sure that it'll happen) things calm down, we'll see a return to a "normal cancel culture" like it was in the days of yore. 😅

One can hope :)

@georgetakei

@MaryPot

You seem mistaken on what the term "Cancel Culture" means. A culture in which reasonable and occasional boycotts are employed is NOT cancel culture... thats just boycotting and its been around forever and its perfectly fine.

Cancel Culture is pointing out a culture where **frivolous** boycotting is central the the culture.

The distinction is important to having a productive conversation here.

@georgetakei

@MaryPot

> If you read the article, she employs (employed?) 3 writers who are on strike now.

I did read the article, and what part of my statement do you feel was in error given this fact? Nothing i said disagrees with what you just said.

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

> I think it was already here before, but it got a significant boom when smartphones became a thing & we got instant access to anything & everything.

I mean people canceled things before sure, and there were frivolous examples of it. But it was more of a rarity. It seems to be in overdrive the last few years (which is where the distinction comes in too)

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

> Conceptually I agree, but who's the "we" in this example?

The human race or any group thereof.

:)

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

> It was already here. I'm constantly reminded of that woman that made a stupid joke before boarding a 12 hour flight to find she'd been fired when she landed.

Cant say I agree... People have been boycotting since forever. But prior to the last few years it was far less frivolous than it has become in recent years.

> What probably changed is what I mentioned in the other reply.
> We are so divided nowadays that this has almost become a type of warfare.
> I cancel the actor you like, you cancel the actor I like. I cancel the beer you love, I cancel the beer you love, and so on and so forth.

Here we agree, the (IMO) recent development of Cancel Culture is closely linked to what you say here.

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

Sure but as per my last comment, Cancel Culture (that is, boycotting frivilously) seems to have happened quite a bit later after the instant gratification had already been a thing for decades.

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

Sure, but that immediate response thing has been around long before the dynamic arose of frivolous boycotts. If they were as closely linked as you suggest I would have expected them to both emerge at the same time, not with a 20 year lag.

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

Nothing wrong with canceling that which we find deserving.

The issue is the frivolity in which we "cancel" these days has reached a point of absurdity.

@georgetakei

@sdgathman

> On the carbon in soil issue, read "Folks, this ain't normal" by Joel Salatin. His other book are great too.

I dont want to read some randos book only to find I have the same questions and it still sounds wrong and now i just dont have the ability to discuss.

If you understand it and wish to explain why the logic doesnt add up for me, go for it. It could be a valuable discussion. Otherwise based on what has been said, iwthout further evidence, im going to conclude that what you claimed is incorrect information.

> I belatedly realized I need to decentralize food production as well as computing, and am learning as fast as I can.

Eh, no ones perfect :)

@matthewjones @oedp_ruhrmitte @lonelyowl

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

I asked you to leave me alone. Since I asked you to do that you have now messaged me twice. Once as a direct response to me asking you not to message me.

Next step is I block and report you. Go away now, I stopped caring.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

Yes, that was your moms nickname back in the day, crayons.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

Wow, so you represent the whole world now... and the tragic commedy continues.

Thats my sign to ask you politely to go away now, thank you. Do not engage me again.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

> This is actively and aggressively getting more and more funny.

Agreed it is, and more absurd.

> You use a term incorrectly to describe something. I and others correct you.

Your whole argument was who came up with the term.. you did nothing to define the term and show how the terms definition disagreed with the usage. You basically just screamed like a banshee how the right has used the term before and therefore invalid... as you point out its getting comical.

> It's like watching a dog try to murder it's own tail.

No, Comparing you to the level of intelligence of a dog would be an insult to dogs everywhere.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

HA, now we even need to have a completely seperate language to indicate if your left or right...

No sorry I dont play those games. If a word has a meaning and that meaning has a use for me, I will use it. The absurdity of this is .. well im amazed i even need to explain this.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

Exactly! You are insisting on discussing the etymology of a term when the topic has **nothing to do** with its etymology. Instead of engaging with what I am saying, you are trying to tell me my words mean something other than what I am saying and thus trying to tell me what I am really saying, all the while fabricating narrative from that far removed fromt he topic.

Its like you arguing about climate change and me disagreeing with you by arguing about the etymology of the word change and how hitler once used the word change in a sentence so you must be wrong.

@georgetakei

@Rui_ALF_Chaves

> I don't think her decision was the right one. We are at a critical crossroad with regards to many things, and her actions are a potential dent in the armor.

On that we strongly disagree.

> Also, I'm not confused about cancel culture.

> Therefore what we have is not a culture of cancelation. That's always been around.

I mean clearly you still are since you said you werent confused, then went on to perfectly agree with me... You said "thats always been around"... ok so you just said Cancel Culture has always been around, thats literally you admitting that Cancel Culture is a thing, you just dont think its a new thing.

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social

What does any of this have to do with what is being discussed? You are arguing against your imagination, none of what you are arguing against was even discussed in this thread...

@georgetakei

@DryBird227@mastodon.social @georgetakei

> Again. They let her go because it was bad for business

Yea, sure.. I have no doubt they did this because they thought it would be in their best interests as an org. They did it for popularity, not any sense of morality, agreed.

> (something that doesn't get called cancel culture until it LOOKS like the left did it).

I mean, as myself being on the left, and the fact that I said nothing about left, right, or even politics, this seems nonsensical. It sounds more like your reading from a talking points script than engaging the topic as it is actually presented here.

> Republicans/conservatives constantly cancel people for say...not supporting trump...all the time.

They sure do... you realize you arent disagreeing with me. This point just further proves (with yet another example) that we live in a Cancel Culture.

> But yeah. Crossing picket lines to any degree. Even if it's perceived that way. Is a no no. Even in business.

Yea even when crossing picket lines is morally ok, generally its avoided from a business standpoint.