I have defederated from fv.technogothic.net as they wish to be "opt-out". I recommend any others do the same.

Be respectful and honor their wishes.

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@BeAware Alright, I've seen you mention opt-in/opt-out over the past few days now...

What are you referring to in regards to opting in or opting out? What are you opting-out from? Do you have a link to an article talking about whatever this is in regards to?

@cdp1337 sure do have an article! It's about a developer building a BlueSky bridge and he used the term opt-out by default. Which was a bad move because that's just how Fedi works. So he got TONS of backlash about "opt-in only" which is just not how ActivityPub is built to it's core. Here's an article.

https://wedistribute.org/2024/02/tear-down-walls-not-bridges/

I hope you read it and understand why this is bad for the overall system if everything was "opt-in only"🤷‍♂️😬

@BeAware @cdp1337
It's not "everything opt-in only" we are talking only about BlueSky-like commercial enterprises making non-native proprietary bridges, trying to move into almost Fediverse-only principle-orientated spaces (such as being much less-corporate)...

...like a different fish altogether

or shark 🦈 joining into Fediverse waters... different type of protocol and servers and even people... all add up to something different.

So there is good reason to ask people to opt-in because "Hi we're kinda-Capitalism and we're here coming here to pretend to be like you but not quite AND like a colonial empire making a bridge... we offer our people and services 'kinda like' you do in smaller caring ways, but we do it on massive corporate scale for an engineering kick mostly and "who knows what will happen later?".

"Why do you care about our reasons?" is a question to ask yourself and them.

Since it's not guaranteed or able to be said in future about these type being bought out too 🤑 it is a real danger we're still seeing happen to communities... in exchange for 💰 down the line 🍂.

So even if you or corporate skeleton care in the same way today. it doesn't mean a rug pull later won't happen when someone totally different buys this out and put it into their own portfolio or puts it to sleep...

[no offence but it is different for more reasons than you say even if I'm talking to wrong person for some of these things].

Aside from the principles and priorities by BlueSky being in such corporate containers I think I'd like to entertain many points here and just get that cleared up....

I did read that link and basically find the google / facebook / twitters style thing engineered for Fediverse thing is not what we want (and why almost all came here in first place) so people working in BlueSky who previously were developing and working or google etc - all difficult to see as something not to later regret and usual recipe for disaster / selling out...

I'm not doubting the technological but it's little comfort to try something you could have had using ActivityPub but 'you' (those companies) ALREADY CHOSE DIFFERENT and now there is a reason(s) they want to "tap-in" ⛏️ / get into this side of things...

They could have just made Mastodon instances and been happy with more humble ways... but I'm sure there's going to be other plans here - for them it has to be constant profit for almost no reason. Never good.

I guess Jack Dorsey not being part of it any more and deleting his account is also one kind of sign too and ethical check...(he's still of a kind of general sitting board of council, but he's not working on this just in case people think he still is).

Again written for speed to really think about differences here...

Merging a proprietary protocol is a BIG DIFFERENCE... and then other reasons deepen the differences. A different fish.

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@freeschool @cdp1337 my point is this:

ActivityPub is "opt-out" by design. To the core of the protocol. You opt-out by blocking an instance. Your instance admin (Jeff) has had to opt-out of your toots being seen by MANY instances with bigots and CSAM content. If you were on a new instance, you'd have to block them all yourself.

So why can't people just block the bridge and call it a day?

It's the "opt-out only" stance that I'm stuck on and will be stuck on till it's done being said. The platform you're using is "opt-out" so just opt-out and move on. No need to bully a random dev for using a protocol how it's designed.

It's massive "I don't understand how the platform I'm using works, therefore anything that doesn't sound cool, i'm going to attack" even though the thing they are attacking, is what they're currently using.

I'm willing to bet there will be MANY bridges and not all of them will ask for your consent. There's 25,000+ ActivityPub instances that all do different things for different reasons. You have no idea every instance's intentions, nor do you know what most of them are....corporations could have already started instances and be taking your data and you wouldn't even know....