@oatmeal @israel @palestine Who said it was?

@hesgen the aggression against kids identifiable as Jews is one thing and very likely motivated by hate, or is bullying in the same context.

"University-related antisemitic " and "Online antisemitism" need to be analyzed to see what they're about.

@babks.social recently set up a group on mastodon.social to report antisemitism. Many of the complaints I saw (I stopped following since it was clearly a bullying operation of ADL or SWU) were against people politically objecting the IDF and settlers brutality in the occupied territories and/or Gaza.

Blanket statements like the ones the organization is making in this article, or the ones ADL is making in the US need to be scrutinized more closely by the media, which should also explain what is the #IHARA and why it's controversial.

@israel @palestine

@radife @oatmeal@kolektiva.social @israel @palestine

You understand that every antisemite gives reasons, right?

@imstilljeremy @israel @palestine

I think it is possible to distinguish between the fake reason for antisemitism (Jews are killing children for religious reason, Jews want to rule the world, Jews are illoyal against their host countries, Jews are bad , Jews are ....)
and observable behaviour of settlers in West Bank or the army in Gaza!
At least, I can do it.

@radife @israel @palestine

Perhaps you can, but the person you are discussing this with is not and they're fairly open about it which makes your argument less theoretical and more practical.

They are quite open that they have been banned by a Jewish instance for antisemitism and chalk it up to a conspiracy headed by either the ADL or Stand With US, organizations that have almost nothing in common except being Jewish organizations.

So, perhaps you can figure out how to do it without hiding behind fake reasons, but you clearly can't tell when other people are using them. Which suggest it might be worth being a bit more cautious in jumping in to assume people called out for antisemitism are being unfairly maligned.

@imstilljeremy @radife @israel @palestine The trouble here is that many people are unfairly maligned, which is certainly not to say that everyone accused of anti-Semitism has been unfairly maligned.

I am unclear as to whether the Anti-Defamation League's broad (including pro-Palestine advocacy) definition or other definitions which include anti-Zionism have any legal or other force. I know that such definitions are ascending and the risk of such force is increasing.

On the flip side, the ascendant rhetoric around anti-Semitism threatens to shield Jews who do legitimately evil things that happen to be on a very, very long--ludicrously so--list of anti-Semitic tropes. The formulation permits the criticism of gentiles who commit these acts but to do so with a Jew becomes anti-Semitism. An obvious example is criticism of Israel's policies in the Occupied Territories. It's fine to criticize Syria for atrocities committed in that country's civil war. It is not okay to criticize Israel for analogous crimes even when committed on a much more massive scale.

All this inhibits a serious exploration of the issue. And that suits some folks just fine.

@benfell @radife @israel @palestine

Yes. When, oh when, will somebody stop and focus on the Jews? If there is one group that nobody speaks ill of or acts towards, it is Jews.

Non-Jews, unfortunately, catch far too much criticism that nobody directs towards Jews and we need to find some way to fix this imbalance.

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Muted.

@imstilljeremy @radife @israel @palestine yes, because what Zionists are doing in Gaza is unacceptable.

It was unacceptable when British colonists did it to American Indians. It was unacceptable when Turks did it to Armenians. It was unacceptable when Nazis did it to Jews. And it is unacceptable when Zionists do it to Palestinians.

Blocked.

@benfell @imstilljeremy @radife @israel @palestine What's "unacceptable".Making sure that the *indigenous* Jewish nation is safe from murderous attacks by the Iran sponsored baby killers and hostage takers of Hamas, terrorists who use their own people as living shields?

@benfell @imstilljeremy @radife @israel @palestine what does any of that have to do with the obviously kooky allegation that a tiny jewish mastadon instance is secretly a nefarious front group for [insert any Jewish organization].

It's silly stupid malicious shit like this that makes people suspicious of what could be considered legitimate criticism otherwise.

@imstilljeremy said it before and will say it again, ask Sarge if it’s ok with him for me to share the arbitration documentation publicly … I’ll be very happy to do so. I’m not easily intimated by this type of obvious bullying, but it is entertaining to follow nonetheless.

Also, to have a bunch of North Americans telling an Israeli they’re antisemite, because they don’t like their politics, is exactly the problem we’re talking about. Who was it the other day, Baruch I believe who said Sikha Mekomit ?!?!?! is a #Hamas outlet.

Do you guys even speak Hebrew? Come and live and Israel and we can talk what’s better for Israel’s future. Not even the moral issue of the occupation and the genocide in Gaza.

Any Israeli who’s not a messianic Jew is horrified by the settlers and the mainstreaming of #Khaneizm by #Netanyahu - same way sane Americans were dismayed seeing Trump and his neonazis squeezing in.

So let me know what Serge says. I’ll share the protocol publicly and we can start a serious discuss of how ADL and SWU instrumentalise #antisemitism and the #holocaust to protect Israel from criticism and sanctions.

@radife