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@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social
your argument is that the Turkish government agrees with you that the Uyghurs deserved the violence from the Chinese government?

My job involves ensuring that the internet works and works without censorship from *any* government. I should point out that the Turkish government has gone to extremes that most people thought no one would bother to in order to censor the internet for it's people. The Turkish government, as far as I am concerned as a technologist (and not an American, since I harbor an extreme distrust of my own government) is at war with its people.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social The difference is that I'm allowed to talk about this here and face absolutely no consequences for doing so. That's not the case in China.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social You don't need to argue that point with me.

I absolutely agree with you.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Yes, I've argued about this with my peers and don't vote for politicians that work to make this worse.

You still can't go to prison in the US for speaking out against the government though which is what makes the situation in China very hard to get facts on.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I'm well aware of our prison problem and it's something I talk about with my peers often.

That the US has moral failings does not at all mean China does not have them. Most importantly I cannot go to prison for something I write on qoto.org which as I understand is not the case in China.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social That there are radical people who own weapons and scare people here is an important indication that we are still a free country.

The people in charge are supposed to be afraid of the people they govern.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Yes, yes I do. In fact these movements have gone so far as to inhabit our capitol building in D.C. with violent people and weapons.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social We have movements like this in the US. But you don't see the government going through West Virginia and Texas jailing and killing people for being part of them.

Yes, in the past it the US government was involved with these people but that doesn't justify what the Chinese government is doing.

and if it did why aren't journalists talking about it? There are many news organizations who's existence is more or less justified by them countering mainstream culture and the government and none of them have argued against the existence of genocide by the Chinese government.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I really wish I could understand that or had a tool to automatically translate it. I tried to learn hanzi a number of summers ago because I was working on regulatory compliance software for some radio equipment and China was a country were really struggling with. But I have absolutely no idea what they're saying or how it's relevant.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Who will the US try to stop? The Dalai Lama?

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social I've been having a very difficult time understanding you but I'm going to try to summarize what I believe the most recent iteration of your argument is:

The US has planted or manipulated a religious leader in China and that excuses the violence the government has committed against its people.

I would like to point out that this kind of thing is considered so dangerous here that it is illegal and any member of the government gets in a lot of trouble just for suggesting that we attack our own people based on religion. In the west we've found this creates so many problems that many countries (including the US) consider this one of the fundamental principles of our government. That is: the government protects people of all religions, including and especially the most misguided ones.

@popolon @clacke @yogthos@mastodon.social Do the statistics come from the Chinese government? This wouldn't be the first time they've faked data. I had a professor who was an ex-patriot of China and would talk at length about this.

That there are buildings says nothing about the people. I could build a temple in Virginia today and that would change nothing about who lives there.