The vaccination question is simple:
Is the government allowed to dictate medical intervention?
@skells
I think your question is beyond the scope of vaccinations alone but in actuality (not theory), yes, governments can and do mandate medical intervention.
Whether or not they should is also beyond the scope of vaccinations. It requires us to make assumptions/value judgments about whether people should be allowed to harm themselves (suicide) or others (Mary Mallon, aka "Typhoid Mary").
@b6hydra there are already signs that the vaccines might be selecting for more virulent and transmissible strains of the virus.
value judgements on whether people should be allowed to harm themselves should be based on science, not political expediency.
particularly when the topic of conversation is violation of human rights
my body, my choice, no?
@skells Usually I'd agree with 'my body, my choice'. But this is a virus which affects other people too... Not sure if that's still 100% a 'my body, my choice' case.
Just something to ponder about philosophically. I know my government is not going to enforce vaccination, but a lot of people in my country are willing to vaccinate so it's thankfully not a terribly huge point of discussion here.
@icedquinn
I'm not seeing the relevance of an abortion with a pandemic, sorry.
@icedquinn Politicized phrase...? Whut? I think you're going on about something different here and I'm not following along.
@icedquinn Ah, you meant it that way. I wasn't associating that phrase with the abortions at all in this case, I see it as a seperate entity. So that's where the confusion comes from.
@icedquinn @skells @trinsec Point of order, the term "pro-abortionist" is a red herring. Do you also call pro-life folks "anti-choice?" I think not.
it does not originate with the no-covid-vax crowd.
its originally a phrase used by pro-abortionists to say it's their body so they get to choose whether to kill the baby.
the phrase was adopted by no-covid-vax folk to highlight the hypocrisy of creating "body autonomy" arguments and then immediately turning around and saying you have none for vaccines.