Honestly, I'm not sure anymore which one is good and which one is evil between Google and Microsoft.
I'm not that naive to think a corporation will act in a way other than to gain profit. But there are a lot of ways to gain profit and to build trust with the customer.
And I'm really not sure I can trust Google anymore and starting to build a real trust for Microsoft.
And the latter is a much more surprising fact than the former I must say.
@lig Corporations are not your friend, how hard is this to understand
@Matter I'm not making friends here. I'm hoping that some of those understand that building a user's trust is crucial for their success.
And it interesting to feel how my trust changes.
@zleap @lig @Matter I just came across this and I think it is an interesting point. Do people still trust corporations? Most people I know don't "trust" corporations but have a more "I don't care" attitude or have zero trust. My personal mantra, if I cannot find an alternative way, is to look for the lesser of two (or more) evils.
I guess using debian non-free is the lesser of the two evils when one needs to have working wifi hardware on a portable device
@DrunkShawarma @lig @Matter We need to make all this more accessible to people, and easier to just help without having to be a super geek.
@DrunkShawarma @lig @Matter yeah
Debian is about being a free (as in freedom) os and not having all the closed source stuff, (which then breaks essential stuff like some networking)
not sure if isenkram-cli works apparently that will detect and install firmware.
@DrunkShawarma @lig @Matter Indeed, on the dev list I have asked if the non free iso and the testing release can be easier to find too, help the rest of us to test / spread debian for example.
Once they have a working system we can then work on why free is better than non free and we hopefully have another person to campaign with us.
@DrunkShawarma @lig @Matter Indeed, but there are currently 100's of packages that need a maintainer, we need to make it easier for people to get involved.
https://www.debian.org/devel/join/
looks rather scary to me, when I just want to be able to discuss / report issues to see if others are having the same problem.
Why does it look scary to you, if you don't mind me asking? Mind you I haven't contributed but I am looking forward to attempting after my current contract ends and so am curious. As I see it, I will look into it and try to help. If I get in the way, I will move away and go into other things. Nothing to loose, everything to gain kind of situation from my perspective.
If I put a non dev / geek hat on then it looks rather a long process.
Sure, it will be long at the start... I hope it gets easier after some time and experience. 😅
I guess if you want it to 'just work' you use something else, like mint, which defeats the point really we can';t promote something that needs a degree in Computer science to get working, but we can't also promote something we can't directly support.
Sorry, I am seeing two threads where we are talking and I am loosing the flow of the conversation and am likely not making sense. I am new to Mastodon and am still figuring it out so sorry if I appear incoherent.
Regarding your point, I see the difficulty. It is a hard problem to solve. However I think the issue with most Linux distros is also that they don't still work out of the box. I wanted to start migrating to Manjaro recently and so I installed and some of my programs. Next day when I updated the programs, I lost access to terminal. Such things, which sound small to layperson, really push them away. Again I do agree your point but I think the current solution isn't working as well as we would like.
I agree, I tried to test Debian 11, can't get it to see the repository, during install, (mirror) so tried to install debian 10 (fine) upgrade to debian 11 and get networking issues.
All I wanted to do was to test the new Arduino beta software for the developers. I can't even get the OS to work properly.
Things need to 'just work' we need more people like me, who are not super geeky on this, to see the issues and help get these problems across to the devs so they can be addressed.
I think it would be good for non-super geeks to not just report the issue but also provide simple workarounds since I am sure the devs have other priorities or pressing matters and may not have the time to figure it out. I have been meaning to get into a deep dive into Linux development after my current work contract ends and I have more free time on my hands.
yeah good point, so i took a screenshot of the issue with installing debian 11 from the ISO media, then it saved to /var/log I had no way of getting at that file to copy it somewhere like a usb stick so I could send to developers
It may be better to be ableto save the screenshots to the removable install media (or provide a choice) esp given the idea is to test teh installer, so being able to dump info somewhere would be good. Could be a menu installer for persistence..
That sounds like a good solution.
As a way round that I carried out without using a mirror only to find myself stuck when it asked for some other media with the option to take a screenshot or continue (which I was unable to) so no 'go back' button i was just stuck.
@zleap @lig @Matter
I dipped my toes in Debian's firmware folders a while back and I didn't brave venturing back without a decipher guide.