"UK antisemitic hate incidents hit new high in 2023, says charity"
Even the off-high numbers are staggering.
@hesgen What isn't clear is whether it is actually antisemitism or antizionism.
Either way, abusing kinds is NOT good, but the distinction matters, especially given the move to conflate the two.
It may be down to how we define anti semitism
UK Government’s adoption of the IHRA definition of antisemitism
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-governments-adoption-of-the-ihra-definition-of-antisemitism/
@zleap @Miro_Collas @hesgen Furthermore, the Israeli government and its supporters worldwide have lost the moral right to point fingers at anyone.
@edgeofeurope @Miro_Collas @hesgen
What baffles me about religion is that followers remain silent
Catholic church child sexual abuse, it seems catholics remain silent
Same for the C of E and simiar bible followers
Isreal does something, jews could stand up and say STOP they don't
Muslims also stay quiet when it comes to the small number who commit terror acts
These crimes do not REPRESENT the majority of world wide follows
And yet
John Lennon makde a comment about the beatles being more popular than jesus and causes huge riots and death threats
If someone draws a picture of mohammed it causes offense, I do understand why there are no images, as I think any image can influence how we see that person.
Why can't religious followers stand up for the values they learn about and hold so dearly
>jews could stand up and say STOP they don't
Sorry but that's not true. I am seeing *countless* posts from jews, here on mastodon, condemning what the gvt of Israel is doing to Palestinians.
Similarly, I have seen many muslims condemn the Hamas attacks.
(And that's just to cite the most obvious current event.)
@Miro_Collas @edgeofeurope @hesgen
Fair point there, sorry. We just don't see this in the media or don't seem to
@zleap @edgeofeurope @hesgen No, not much in the media perhaps.
@Miro_Collas @zleap @hesgen the censorship on this subject is stifling. The other day an Italian government official simply declared that it was impossible to view Oct 7th as anything but an antisemitic attack.
@edgeofeurope @Miro_Collas @hesgen
I think it has got to the point where jews are being accused of anti semitism for being critical
@zleap @Miro_Collas @hesgen The term used in that case is "Jewish self-haters"
@zleap @edgeofeurope @hesgen Yes, many instances of that have been reported. I have seen many say they've been called "self-hating", for daring to speak against the Israeli gvt.
@edgeofeurope @zleap @hesgen I read that, yes. Bit frightening, really
@Miro_Collas @zleap @hesgen Yes, especially if you know that we have half-baked Fascists in power here. The crackdown on dissent is quite worrying.
@zleap @edgeofeurope @Miro_Collas Jews worldwide express a variety of views about the Israeli government. Israeli citizens likewise.
@zleap @Miro_Collas @hesgen Some people view these crimes as outside of their group: a 'real Muslim' doesn't kill because the Qur'an says this or that, and therefore the responsibility no longer lies with the group.
Similarly, Nazis were 'monsters', and therefore not actual humans, and therefore not our problem.
Good point perhaps the media should use the same definition source so they are on the same page.
.. ....
hang on that would be too much like common sense in 2024
@Miro_Collas @hesgen
It is not anti-Semitic to criticise the Government of Israel, without additional evidence to suggest anti-Semitic intent.
It is not anti-Semitic to hold the Israeli Government to the same standards as other liberal democracies, or to take a particular interest in the Israeli Government’s policies or actions, without additional evidence to suggest anti-Semitic intent.