Paul Sutton @zleap@social.cleverlibre.org

@fcktheworld587 @davidaugust @gilesgoat

I am fine with that, one of the best things about here is the intellectual discussions.

@Gustodon

Well if you don't sort it out soon, you will have robots, given guns, and their AI will be based on their creators, as in Americans who like guns, so rather than people killing people you will have robots roaming round with guns too.

@ZhiZhu

Assuming im the US you can address the gun issue, how do you then tackle the far right or similar hate groups without them arguing doing so infringes on the first amendment?

From Wikipedia

"The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prevents the government from making laws that regulate an establishment of religion, or that prohibit the free exercise of religion, or abridge the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, the freedom of assembly, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.
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I know the UK we have the 'prevent' strategy, this does not kick in if your behaviour suggests you are being drawn in to far right thinking, if I understand it, it kicks in if your words turn in to actions or threats or intent of action.

I am not sure how something like this would work in the US, as prevent is also designed to re-direct people to more positive activities. So for young people this could be youth groups that are run by appropriate people rather than some shady group of adults who just see you as someone to carry out their actions and groom you to do so.

I get the impression from prevent training that what leads to people being drawn in to this is they are disinfranchised with education or similar, feel worthless, and family may not be supportive, so they feel very down and worthless, esp if family has high expectations which they are not living up to. So low self esteem or self worth is picked up by some groups, and they make you feel worth something, then draw you in.

We need to stop people from being drawn in to negative thinking, of course that has exploded since the rise of social media, and mental health issues have also gone up too.

Seems the US may have a long long way to go, as does the UK and other countries, just that most don't have easy access to military grade weapons to add to the issue.

@Tilopa@convo.casa

How do you rise up and start a protest against people who are a bunch of trigger happy, gun loving and gun holding lunatics, without risking them shooting back and causing a blood bath.

Other than doing the protest naked, so you can at least show you are unarmed.

@flexghost

I wonder if he would agree to an experiment, method he kneels down and an assault rifle is aimed at his head, he stars to pray, the theory is that 'god' will protect him. Gun is fired at close enough range to kill instantly.

Make notes of result.

Somehow I don't think he, despite all his faith, he would agree.

if that happens, then you can point out that god never saves massacre victims, so god would not have saved him either.

@calmwaters73

I agree, and the 4000 members of the armed forces all moving off at exactly the same time was something to behold.

As the 007 movie song goes, 'Nobody does it better"