@realcaseyrollins @freemo @conatus he hasn't been elected yet.

@icedquinn

No, but he will be.

@realcaseyrollins @conatus

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus eh we’ll see

@realcaseyrollins

Sure, if he has actual evidence I welcome him to present it. So far even if there is fraud he hasnt produced a single bit of evidence and, well, he isnt a man who tends to be very good at accomplishing what he says he will so I dont have high hopes until I see some.

@icedquinn @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> hasn't produced a single bit of evidence

This is head in sand level denial.

@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Wait hol up that raysis man said “there is no room for prejudice” in his first day in office???

HOLD THE PRESSES

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn He has presented some evidence but to my knowledge it hasn’t been super specific. His lawyers and such have more of the deets than he does

@realcaseyrollins @conatus @freemo @icedquinn

If it's already sliding from "not a single bit" to "not a bit that convinced me" so who cares where the goal posts end up, it's clearly an issue of adjusting against momentum for the speaker.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn Hey it was Freemo who said not a bit, not me.

@realcaseyrollins

To be clear I was referring to evidence that there had been some orchestrated effort by officials to commit voter fraud. The case of individuals committing fraud on their own, without cooperation from officials, and at the risk of arrest is relevant, but not what I was referring to when I stated it..

The legal arguments would be far more complicated if we talk about random extremely small scale individuals committing fraud considering they would include both fraud in favor of democrats and fraud in favor of republicans. So while this is something that could be shown at very small scales (or maybe larger if there is evidence to show it, who knows) that's going to be a tough case to argue.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

Every single news station making 99% change winning predictions, calling states the second they opened, and censoring everyone who disagrees isn't collusive enough, he basically needs notarized plans from Biden's desk.

@moth

Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?

I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @moth @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn
are you stupid? you need to scroll thru my timeline for the past week if you want to see evidence of voter fraud. it's OVERWHELMING

@meowski

If you think calling me stupid is going to convince me to invest time into reading your time line then you really arent very good at this. If the very first words you speak show you arent even in emotional control of your own behaviors then clearly I wont consider you very high on the list of people worth listening to. Now if you'd like to try again (I will give anyone a pass) then I dont mind considering your points.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus
only the most brainwashed and willfully ignorant people haven't figured out what happened by now. there are 2 types of people still saying there's no evidence of fraud. severely brainwashed low information individuals, and shills.

either way, yeet yourself

@meowski @freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Being physically out of the US is also going to severely limit information available, so maybe it's more understandable in this case as well.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
why? they have access to the same internet we do.

euros takes on us politics tends to be smol brain. they love being slaves

@meowski @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Every single major news outlet has embargoed information heavily for the last week. It's why I don't blame any of euro fedi for not seeing things the same way, the conditioning is real.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
>major news
this problem is not unique to europe. people in the states who are still relying on "major news" are equally brainwashed

these are the people i'm talking about

@meowski @moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins Right. In this deeply contested election, it pays to pay careful attention to who is falling for the propaganda. It’s probably not worth correcting them, because it is difficult to undo years or decades of careful propaganda, but, it’s revealing to see who is under the spell and who isn’t.

With any luck, all of this drama will lead to voting reform, or maybe even (if I may dream) some reform to the electoral system. I’m optimistic, someone finally noticed how badly things are broken, someone with power, and someone with skin in the game. Maybe the healing can begin.

@fluffy

Time will tell. Lets hope trump has some really solid evidence we havent seen yet. Personally i have doubts trump will even go to court at all even if fraud is real. I suspect he cares more about having an excuse so he can claim he didnt really loose and save face than actually winning legally. At best i expect a half assed under budget court showing that gets dismissed and that he knows will get dismissed.

The cost to actually fight a legal battle like this would be astronomical id imagine, just the leg work to collect the evidence alone if it exists will be monumental. I dont think trump is willing to spend that.

I was excited when he said he was taking hillary to court, nothing. I was excited when he was going to take obama to court for alleged wire tapping, nothing. I dont expect him to follow through on this any more so than he did those examples, regardless of the reality.

@conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn My work leaves me little time for such amusements, but even a cursory inspection reveals that he has the right of it[1]. The question ultimately will be if he can, a week after the fact, find enough evidence to pursue the matter in court.

cf. the attached post from an anonymous whistle blower who styles himself Data Scientist.

@fluffy

Yes I already read the post you just linked yesterday I think it was. As a data scientist myself I can say it did not show any evidence of fraud, though it could be a first step in exploring that. It identifies points in which events occur, it does not point to those events being fraud, in fact in some cases we do know the cause of the events.

I'd be happy to walk you through the analysis if you'd like and what it is actually saying.

As for if he can find evidence after a week, That seems weak to me. Trump has been claiming there is voter fraud for months. He had months to collect evidence that Democratic Party officials were colluding to rig the election. He also had months to prepare so as to be ready to collect the evidence as it unfolded.

That means either 1) he doesnt really care about fraud, he cares that he lost and is using fraud as an argument **only** because he lost. He therefore decided not to put energy into collecting evidence until after he knew he lost as he didnt wish to expose fraud if he won as that would work against him 2) he is actually interested in fraud but was simply unable to collect evidence despite being prepared months in advance. While that wouldnt mean there is no fraud it does mean there is no evidence.

@conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn