@moth

Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?

I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @moth @conatus @icedquinn If #Trump wins the legal challenges enough to have more delegates but the #MSM refuses to say so, well…

@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @moth Pay attention. The #MSM can force the populace to believe that whoever they want is president, so long as they act in concert.

@realcaseyrollins

Except they dont act in concert.. A bunch of news is biased left, a bunch of news is biased right. So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do. Half of them agree on one thing, and the other half agree on the opposite thing.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> a bunch of news is biased right

Like Fox! /s

> So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do.

Head in sand.

@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Look at the news Freemo. See how easy it was to convince #FoxNews to declare #JoeBiden the likely winner? And of course smaller conservative outlets follow them so most just fell in line.

@realcaseyrollins

did the other outlets convince them, or did the numbers convince them (which may have been the incorrect numbers if fraud exists mind you). the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.

Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others, meanwhile fox had some fake numbers and they were fooled because the other news outlets cooperated?

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.

That's not true for a few of a key swing states, like PA, closer states, like AZ (being called before they opened so it was entirely on wild predictions and zero data) or even some of the safe Trump states like AK which were not called for days even though safe calls.

@moth

Well yes thats true.. But PA was called for trump on all the liberal leaning networks I watched and didnt flip to biden until days after. I simultanious watched them call states live across 5 networks this year.

@icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

I think RCP's call to freeze at last known good and post that things were complicated was the best call that was made so far in retrospect.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others

Yes.

@moth

Fair, if that is true then I hope Trump is able to provide some evidence of collusion by someone in a position of power.

As I stated earlier regardless of the reality if all trump has are individuals commiting fraud on their own with no connection to the polticians or the party (other than being registered with it) then he is going to have a really hard time winning considering both democrats and republicans can and do commit fraud for their side individually.

However if he can show a news caster had some secret real numbers and published fake ones, or some coordination or intentional manipulation on the part of democrats to rig the election, then he will have a strong case I'd imagine.

Any suspicious behavior aside when it comes to hard evidence to win the sort of case he is making, I have yet to see it. The only real evidence (and no not just fishy behavior that isnt enough for court) has been a few random old ladies voting multiple times or something amounting to a few hundred votes...

Remember I am not asserting what **IS** (I never said if voted fraud is real or not), I am talking about what there is evidence for, evidence as in meets the standards of a court of law for submission... So far I havent heard of really any at all in this thread.

@icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

Have you watched Barnes Law's breakdown? Viva Frei's streams have been invaluable.

@moth

I know of him, read some of his comments. Probably havent watched what you are suggesting though no, I mostly invest time in information from reading rather than watching simply because of bandwidth. I can read a book in an hour, would take days for me to listen to it as spoken audio.

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

Spoken audio at like 2x speed is how I consume most my media that I do in the background while working. Gotta keep reading on what I'm doing. The livestreams on Viva Frei's channel have been good as an initial "this will be news, and this will be noise" filter for other sources.

@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

I can't stand his demeanor, it's like to tries to embody the stereotype, right down to the costume.

@moth

I know a lot of people who do that. Even at 2x speed it is much slower for me though. I spent some time training to speed read so I can consume text probably 40x faster than someone could speak it (just guessing, a page of text takes me about a second to consume).

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

I'm saying that you're adding tons of qualifiers onto a statement that you're walking back because it's obviously false on it's face.

I am not making any positive assertions about how elections function.

@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

> Not a bit
> Ok, a bit, but not convincing
> Ok, it's convincing, but not coordinated. <-- You're here.
> Ok, it was coordinated.

@moth

Sooooo.,... I'm exactly where I was when I started.. and no its here: "There is no evidence of fraud committed by the Democratic party to rig the election that I have seen yet" Pretty much exactly where I was when I first spoke... and again remember I still welcome evidence.

The only thing is when I first spoke I was not explicit on what I meant by fraud, yes my mistake, but so far I havent seen any new evidence in that regard eitehr.

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

I'm dubious that you could spot it before it was irrefutably obvious, and even then, I think there's still evidenced room for dissonance.

Steel Dossier would be explicit DNC connected meddling, if you did any leg work at all.

@freemo @moth @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn
are you stupid? you need to scroll thru my timeline for the past week if you want to see evidence of voter fraud. it's OVERWHELMING

@meowski

If you think calling me stupid is going to convince me to invest time into reading your time line then you really arent very good at this. If the very first words you speak show you arent even in emotional control of your own behaviors then clearly I wont consider you very high on the list of people worth listening to. Now if you'd like to try again (I will give anyone a pass) then I dont mind considering your points.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@freemo @meowski @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @conatus Good reminder for me as well, I don't mean to be as flippant as I come across.

@moth

I appreciate that, and no worries.. You were slightly grating with the head in the sand comments and the way you went about it. but I didnt feel you crossed the line. To me there is a clear line of respect.. calling someone names crosses that, simply stating that you think someone is ignorant or chooses not to see something maybe be a negative judgment but it isnt rude to state.

@icedquinn @meowski @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus
only the most brainwashed and willfully ignorant people haven't figured out what happened by now. there are 2 types of people still saying there's no evidence of fraud. severely brainwashed low information individuals, and shills.

either way, yeet yourself

@meowski @freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Being physically out of the US is also going to severely limit information available, so maybe it's more understandable in this case as well.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
why? they have access to the same internet we do.

euros takes on us politics tends to be smol brain. they love being slaves

@meowski @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Every single major news outlet has embargoed information heavily for the last week. It's why I don't blame any of euro fedi for not seeing things the same way, the conditioning is real.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins norwegians are gay

@meowski

you're right, Norwegians certainly are very happy people.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
>major news
this problem is not unique to europe. people in the states who are still relying on "major news" are equally brainwashed

these are the people i'm talking about

@meowski @moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins US Cities desperately want to be Euro.

@meowski

While I wouldnt use the word "brainwashed" due to the absolute cringe of that word (for me)... I do agree that anyone relying on news (that includes right leaning news but left as well) is absolutely ignorant of reality.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@freemo @meowski @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @conatus

What would you consider to be a right wing news agency? Top 3?

@moth

You asking me the top three most popular regardless of the degree of bias?

Its a 2 dimensional property so its hard to rank without knowing what I'm ranking...

Like there is some news that is extreme radical right, but is not very popular. There is other news with only a very marginal right lean that is almost insignificant that might be extremely popular. how would I rank these to make a top 3?

@meowski @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@meowski @moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins Right. In this deeply contested election, it pays to pay careful attention to who is falling for the propaganda. It’s probably not worth correcting them, because it is difficult to undo years or decades of careful propaganda, but, it’s revealing to see who is under the spell and who isn’t.

With any luck, all of this drama will lead to voting reform, or maybe even (if I may dream) some reform to the electoral system. I’m optimistic, someone finally noticed how badly things are broken, someone with power, and someone with skin in the game. Maybe the healing can begin.

@fluffy

Time will tell. Lets hope trump has some really solid evidence we havent seen yet. Personally i have doubts trump will even go to court at all even if fraud is real. I suspect he cares more about having an excuse so he can claim he didnt really loose and save face than actually winning legally. At best i expect a half assed under budget court showing that gets dismissed and that he knows will get dismissed.

The cost to actually fight a legal battle like this would be astronomical id imagine, just the leg work to collect the evidence alone if it exists will be monumental. I dont think trump is willing to spend that.

I was excited when he said he was taking hillary to court, nothing. I was excited when he was going to take obama to court for alleged wire tapping, nothing. I dont expect him to follow through on this any more so than he did those examples, regardless of the reality.

@conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn My work leaves me little time for such amusements, but even a cursory inspection reveals that he has the right of it[1]. The question ultimately will be if he can, a week after the fact, find enough evidence to pursue the matter in court.

cf. the attached post from an anonymous whistle blower who styles himself Data Scientist.

@fluffy

Yes I already read the post you just linked yesterday I think it was. As a data scientist myself I can say it did not show any evidence of fraud, though it could be a first step in exploring that. It identifies points in which events occur, it does not point to those events being fraud, in fact in some cases we do know the cause of the events.

I'd be happy to walk you through the analysis if you'd like and what it is actually saying.

As for if he can find evidence after a week, That seems weak to me. Trump has been claiming there is voter fraud for months. He had months to collect evidence that Democratic Party officials were colluding to rig the election. He also had months to prepare so as to be ready to collect the evidence as it unfolded.

That means either 1) he doesnt really care about fraud, he cares that he lost and is using fraud as an argument **only** because he lost. He therefore decided not to put energy into collecting evidence until after he knew he lost as he didnt wish to expose fraud if he won as that would work against him 2) he is actually interested in fraud but was simply unable to collect evidence despite being prepared months in advance. While that wouldnt mean there is no fraud it does mean there is no evidence.

@conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn I was informed the image is not of a good resolution (my frontend compressed it). Interested readers can find the original here https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1604873688964.gif or mirrored here https://imgur.com/a/d41H0Rs

@fluffy

Indeed they werent. Luckily I had alrady went through that data yesterday. But might be useful for others, so thanks for updating.

@conatus @moth @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @fluffy @conatus @meowski @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

Suit filed in MI.

@moth

filed by trump? Interesting I'll be curious to see how it works out

@conatus @fluffy @realcaseyrollins @meowski @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @fluffy @realcaseyrollins @meowski @icedquinn

Yes, it's a number of sworn statements with some strong allegations, who knows what will actually come from it, but it'll at least be more objective and less rumors.

@moth
I will read the court documents, but yea it at least seems like he will follow through
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@freemo @moth @conatus @realcaseyrollins @meowski @icedquinn untag pleae

@fluffy @freemo @conatus @icedquinn @moth @realcaseyrollins stfu tranny

@moth

I was in the USA for this election and for a few months prior. Though I am usually int he netherlands I live in both places.

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