@realcaseyrollins @freemo @conatus the world is watching. :agummypopcorn:

@realcaseyrollins

Sure, if he has actual evidence I welcome him to present it. So far even if there is fraud he hasnt produced a single bit of evidence and, well, he isnt a man who tends to be very good at accomplishing what he says he will so I dont have high hopes until I see some.

@icedquinn @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @conatus

the evidence has been convincing enough several states have initiated full audits (not recounts.)

@icedquinn @freemo @conatus Wait which states

@realcaseyrollins @conatus @freemo wisconsin and michigan election commissions suggested it IIRC.

nevada is cucked though. not because they said there is no fraud, but because they said they're not going to bother investigating until after the election.

wtf

@realcaseyrollins @conatus @freemo i may have bongled michigan for pennsylvania dunno (no telepromter ) but RCP and CNN have also cancelled biden's win (they both revoked PA and biden now no longer has 270.)

@icedquinn There is no evidence let alone comvvincing evidence that I've seen. Though feel free to share with me any solid evidence and I may change my mind.

What I have seen is lots of examples of errors. But as we know from the Gore trials errors do not imply and are not sufficient to argue fraud, which requires intent. Without intent Trump has about as much evidence as Gore had.

@freemo they moved that goalpost from no evidence to "okay but it's not enough to matter" a while back.

there's a lady in tx who was just formally charged with ~100s of counts of ballot frauds.

@icedquinn How is this lady related to Democratic party? Have a link?

@freemo https://www.dailywire.com/news/texas-charges-social-worker-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud

@icedquinn It would seem they already charged and arrested this women by noon on election day the 5th, before the votes even began to be counted at all.

Therefore isnt this an example of a lack of fraud, not an example of a fraud problem.

Seems to be evidence of the exact opposite in this case.

@freemo election day is the 3rd, not the 5th.

@icedquinn Ahh yes my fault, you are correct. But still, the fact taht it was caught, and caught early on, suggests that the correct preventive measures are in place, at least in this case. So still seems like a counter example.

@icedquinn how do you feel the "not enough to matter" issue should be handled? If, just saying if, there was only a tiny bit of fraud and most people think it is "not enough to matter". I presume you disagree, so how would you respond if that were the case (presuming the fraud was only a very small number of cases)?

@freemo it's impossible to know if its enough to matter without looking in to it

what i look at is what people claimed (the postal worker who said he was dumping trump votes, one of the poll workers who came out in the news and admitted he shredded any trump vote he could) and then look if the security measures existed to prevent it.

there is AFAIK no security against harvesters destroying ballots.

there is no security against printing fake ballots in the basement and counting them at 4am. they don't even have to be postmarked, ruled the PA court.

the constitution also says you submit your totals on the 3rd, so the giant heap of biden ballots aren't even valid. (consider that other states like TX were able to process early voting for an entire month, and most other states were able to process their early and mail-ins without the bizzare midnight staccato, and ask why the battleground states were unable to get their mail in on the constitutionally dictated time?)

the courts of course use other means. rekieta had a~20min video about how many of the suits are unlikely to work, not as much because there is no smoke but because nobody will want to be the judge who rules for nuking hundreds of thousands of ballots just because they didn't follow the damn due date.

@icedquinn I would need to see links to these incidents to get a sense of them. But yes those could be potential problems.

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus Yeah…there’s probably some evidence, but the left is underestimating the amount of evidence as much as the right is overestimating the amount of evidence for it. I am sure that #Trump knows nothing of the actual evidence, he just hears snippets here and there and exaggerates based off of that.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> hasn't produced a single bit of evidence

This is head in sand level denial.

@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Wait hol up that raysis man said “there is no room for prejudice” in his first day in office???

HOLD THE PRESSES

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn He has presented some evidence but to my knowledge it hasn’t been super specific. His lawyers and such have more of the deets than he does

@realcaseyrollins @conatus @freemo @icedquinn

If it's already sliding from "not a single bit" to "not a bit that convinced me" so who cares where the goal posts end up, it's clearly an issue of adjusting against momentum for the speaker.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn Hey it was Freemo who said not a bit, not me.

@realcaseyrollins @conatus @freemo @icedquinn

Yes, he also was the one that said "ok some, but not convincing" I wasn't mixing that up, sorry if it was vague in my wording.

@realcaseyrollins

To be clear I was referring to evidence that there had been some orchestrated effort by officials to commit voter fraud. The case of individuals committing fraud on their own, without cooperation from officials, and at the risk of arrest is relevant, but not what I was referring to when I stated it..

The legal arguments would be far more complicated if we talk about random extremely small scale individuals committing fraud considering they would include both fraud in favor of democrats and fraud in favor of republicans. So while this is something that could be shown at very small scales (or maybe larger if there is evidence to show it, who knows) that's going to be a tough case to argue.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

Every single news station making 99% change winning predictions, calling states the second they opened, and censoring everyone who disagrees isn't collusive enough, he basically needs notarized plans from Biden's desk.

@moth

Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?

I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @moth @conatus @icedquinn If #Trump wins the legal challenges enough to have more delegates but the #MSM refuses to say so, well…

@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @moth Pay attention. The #MSM can force the populace to believe that whoever they want is president, so long as they act in concert.

@realcaseyrollins

Except they dont act in concert.. A bunch of news is biased left, a bunch of news is biased right. So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do. Half of them agree on one thing, and the other half agree on the opposite thing.

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> a bunch of news is biased right

Like Fox! /s

> So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do.

Head in sand.

@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Look at the news Freemo. See how easy it was to convince #FoxNews to declare #JoeBiden the likely winner? And of course smaller conservative outlets follow them so most just fell in line.

@realcaseyrollins

did the other outlets convince them, or did the numbers convince them (which may have been the incorrect numbers if fraud exists mind you). the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.

Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others, meanwhile fox had some fake numbers and they were fooled because the other news outlets cooperated?

@icedquinn @moth @conatus

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.

That's not true for a few of a key swing states, like PA, closer states, like AZ (being called before they opened so it was entirely on wild predictions and zero data) or even some of the safe Trump states like AK which were not called for days even though safe calls.

@moth

Well yes thats true.. But PA was called for trump on all the liberal leaning networks I watched and didnt flip to biden until days after. I simultanious watched them call states live across 5 networks this year.

@icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

I think RCP's call to freeze at last known good and post that things were complicated was the best call that was made so far in retrospect.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn @conatus

> Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others

Yes.

@moth

Fair, if that is true then I hope Trump is able to provide some evidence of collusion by someone in a position of power.

As I stated earlier regardless of the reality if all trump has are individuals commiting fraud on their own with no connection to the polticians or the party (other than being registered with it) then he is going to have a really hard time winning considering both democrats and republicans can and do commit fraud for their side individually.

However if he can show a news caster had some secret real numbers and published fake ones, or some coordination or intentional manipulation on the part of democrats to rig the election, then he will have a strong case I'd imagine.

Any suspicious behavior aside when it comes to hard evidence to win the sort of case he is making, I have yet to see it. The only real evidence (and no not just fishy behavior that isnt enough for court) has been a few random old ladies voting multiple times or something amounting to a few hundred votes...

Remember I am not asserting what **IS** (I never said if voted fraud is real or not), I am talking about what there is evidence for, evidence as in meets the standards of a court of law for submission... So far I havent heard of really any at all in this thread.

@icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @conatus @realcaseyrollins

Have you watched Barnes Law's breakdown? Viva Frei's streams have been invaluable.

@freemo @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

I'm saying that you're adding tons of qualifiers onto a statement that you're walking back because it's obviously false on it's face.

I am not making any positive assertions about how elections function.

@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

> Not a bit
> Ok, a bit, but not convincing
> Ok, it's convincing, but not coordinated. <-- You're here.
> Ok, it was coordinated.

@moth

Sooooo.,... I'm exactly where I was when I started.. and no its here: "There is no evidence of fraud committed by the Democratic party to rig the election that I have seen yet" Pretty much exactly where I was when I first spoke... and again remember I still welcome evidence.

The only thing is when I first spoke I was not explicit on what I meant by fraud, yes my mistake, but so far I havent seen any new evidence in that regard eitehr.

@conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

@freemo @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn

I'm dubious that you could spot it before it was irrefutably obvious, and even then, I think there's still evidenced room for dissonance.

Steel Dossier would be explicit DNC connected meddling, if you did any leg work at all.

@freemo @moth @conatus @realcaseyrollins @icedquinn
are you stupid? you need to scroll thru my timeline for the past week if you want to see evidence of voter fraud. it's OVERWHELMING

@meowski

If you think calling me stupid is going to convince me to invest time into reading your time line then you really arent very good at this. If the very first words you speak show you arent even in emotional control of your own behaviors then clearly I wont consider you very high on the list of people worth listening to. Now if you'd like to try again (I will give anyone a pass) then I dont mind considering your points.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@freemo @meowski @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @conatus Good reminder for me as well, I don't mean to be as flippant as I come across.

@moth

I appreciate that, and no worries.. You were slightly grating with the head in the sand comments and the way you went about it. but I didnt feel you crossed the line. To me there is a clear line of respect.. calling someone names crosses that, simply stating that you think someone is ignorant or chooses not to see something maybe be a negative judgment but it isnt rude to state.

@icedquinn @meowski @conatus @realcaseyrollins

@freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus
only the most brainwashed and willfully ignorant people haven't figured out what happened by now. there are 2 types of people still saying there's no evidence of fraud. severely brainwashed low information individuals, and shills.

either way, yeet yourself

@meowski @freemo @conatus @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Being physically out of the US is also going to severely limit information available, so maybe it's more understandable in this case as well.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
why? they have access to the same internet we do.

euros takes on us politics tends to be smol brain. they love being slaves

@meowski @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins

Every single major news outlet has embargoed information heavily for the last week. It's why I don't blame any of euro fedi for not seeing things the same way, the conditioning is real.

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins norwegians are gay

@meowski

you're right, Norwegians certainly are very happy people.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins
>major news
this problem is not unique to europe. people in the states who are still relying on "major news" are equally brainwashed

these are the people i'm talking about

@meowski @moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins US Cities desperately want to be Euro.

@meowski

While I wouldnt use the word "brainwashed" due to the absolute cringe of that word (for me)... I do agree that anyone relying on news (that includes right leaning news but left as well) is absolutely ignorant of reality.

@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @moth @conatus

@freemo @meowski @icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @conatus

What would you consider to be a right wing news agency? Top 3?