@ohellno
Just the very existence of immune system disproves entire germ theory.
This whole bit of unintelligent dribble can be disproven in all of 2 seconds.. take a pH strip touch it to a chicken pox sore quickly, and see if it shows an extremely low pH, which of course, it will not.
People love to make up whatever bullshit sounds right to them and fits the world they want to make up in their head and really have no intention of taking even a moment to verify it, if they did they might find out they were wrong and their ego can't handle that.
I am not the one making outlandish claims, so I have no need to test their absurd theory... They indicated a theory without absolutely no evidence to back it up, evidence that would be trivial to gather. The lack of evidence and effort means the theory is not based on observed evidence but pulled out of their ass. That pattern alone is more than enough for me to discount it.
Now if they actually bothered to do **science** and test their assertions and presented that as part of their claim, then it would be less outlandish and would be a legitimate reason to expect scientists to repeat the test and see if the theory of acidic secretions has any basis in reality.
Its like me saying "Oh by the way unicorns are real, I can prove it because a bunch of poop you find in the woods has rainbows shooting out of it!"... and the nthem demanding scientist show we have done extensive studies disproving poop with rainbows coming out of it.. Its not mine or any other scientists wackadoo theory, so its not my obligation or that of other scientists to put any effort into it.
You can beleive whatever you want, but you are wrong and you look like an idiot for thinking otherwise.. Of course you think you are right, so feel free to do a study and get it peer reviewed. You will fail (Because your ideas are bullshit) but if you happen to gather any actual evidence then youll prove me wrong.
As for all the "evidence" disproving germ theory.. I've spent a lot of time int he past reading through many people who have came and claimed that and debated it.. all of it was complete idiotic nonsense, and not one bit of it held up to existing knowledge or understanding.
The hundreds of thousands of scientists working with viruses every day already prove its legitimate, most of what they do wouldnt work or make any sense if viruses werent real
> "They can't all be wrong"
No I'm not. I'm basing it on the fact that I have seen and understand what they do in the lab, how they verify things, the scrutiny that goes on, and seeing with my own eyes and repeating some experiments on my own to know that what they say works, works. things that would never and could never work if viruses werent real.
> There are plenty of references and resources available on my site. So if you want to believe in viruses rather than dig in and find answers then do be it.
As I already said, I've already dug in plenty of resources, and they are all written by morons who dont know the first thing about logic or how to "prove" even the most basic things. I have no expectation that your claims are anything new that I havent already seen. However if you wish to bring your evidence into this conversation, go for it. I've done enough digging to know its idiocy, but if you happen to be the one person arguing this shit who has some real evidence, feel free to try to bring it.
> I would rather base what i know to be true from evidence, so enjoy your day.
Clearly not, there is a mountain of evidence and you seem to be pretending like it doesnt even exist, meanwhile you have presented none for your outlandish bullshit.
Good day, I certainly have no time for shoveling your bullshit
And has that experiment been proven or debunked? quoting an observation from 100 years ago doesnt get you very far unless you can show that int he 100 years since experiments have consistently proven it to be true... you do realize 1919 medicine without any reflection on the 100 years of evidence after that is not proving anything right? What do the other 100 years of experiments say?
When did I say I didnt?
More importantly though, I'm not the one trying to make a convincing case, you are. Do you really expect people to go off and invest time in researching an outlandish claim that relies on the entire world of scientists being in on some perpetual conspiracy theory for 100 years without strong evidence to back that up?
Your evidence is one random guy from 100 years ago who claimed to observe something, before they even had the tools to make good tests in the first place. No one is going to go research your flat-earth level bullshit off of one random dude 100 years ago saying he saw something as your "evidence"
@freemo @ohellno
What an idiot, they admitted fraud lies thousands times before you stupid fuck they lie again you idiot. The report I linked above, which you didn't bother to look because you are upfuck egoistic narcisist who can't handle being wrong, proves what I say since january 2020 100%.
Everything govt said was a lie and you went with every single one. there are thousands others they admitted conspiracy as well.
I told you you will cry.
Soon.
I treat people how they deserve to be treated.. he acted with more than enough disrespect to be treated in like kind. If he doesnt want to be treated with animosity the first step is he apologizes, otherwise i will.
@freemo @akeno @ohellno
Everyone is at a different point in their lives. Would you hold a child throwing a tantrum to the same standard as an adult having a bad day? Do you know what a person's experiences & perspectives are, or that they won't have different understanding at some point? Disengaging is often wise.
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. If we are not patient & forgiving with each other eventually the only thing that's left is hate, and that destroys all involved.
> Would you hold a child throwing a tantrum to the same standard as an adult having a bad day?
Yes I would, I would expect them to apologize and until they did they would remain punished.
I dont really give a damn about forces of darkness or whatever else. I have no issue treating people with the respect they earn. It gives them the power to determine how they are treated and ensures that those who act respecfully are rewarded for that.
When respect stops to be something earned then it stops having value.
> With forgiveness, compassion and unconditional love we increase the radiance of Love and Light of the One Infinite Creator in our vicinity.
The creator commited mass murder and filled off an entire planet of humans because of the way they were behaving, if anything I am following his example.
It isnt a service to self path.. giving people an environemnt where THEY decide how they are treated based on how they treat others is a service-to-all.. one it allows people to always be forgiven should they make a mistake, apologize, and start treating others respectfully.. .two, it encourages people who act respectfully to be more common because people want a better environement, and thus creates a better environment for everyone...
What **you** are proposing is the servicing your self.. it avoids any conflic and enables cruel and horrible people to continuing behaving the way they do and ultimately makes the world a worst place for everyone.
A planet where people treat me with as much respect as I treat them, awesome! sounds amazing.
No idea about this whole undecided mumbo jumbo though, I decided pretty definitively and explained exactly what that decision was.. nothing is has been undecided.
Wow you are really bending over backwards to be right...
No no one is making the decision for me, the decision is made, they get treated how they deserve.. they are making the decision **for themselves** how they get treated. I have **decided** they deserve the right to create the environment that they wish to live in.
Again, doesnt look like your reading (or maybe not good at listening I dunno) but it is **not** a service to self, it is a service to others and I explained quite clearly how and why, it enabled people to always be forgiven, to decide the environment they are in, and to discourage people who create harmful environments for others from doing so.. it is a service to others, not myself.
>If you make a decision to be service-to-others then you will be kind, forgiving, compassionate and of service to everyone you meet, regardless of how they treat you
Wrong, that is not a service to others, that is a service to self.. you are enabling other people to be cruel, thus harming others around you. At the same time you are placating them and acting nice so as to avoid your own conflict and therefore 2 worrying only about yourself and your own expiernce and ignoring the harm you are doing to both society and others by enabling cruel people.
Nope, wrong again... ya know you really should try listening to what people say rather than just making assumptions up front then repeating yourself over and over.. might get you some actual enlightenment.
I give people the respect which they deserve and which puts the proper pressure on them and the world to be better people. Nothing about that suggests I am a mirror or a reflection of anyone, do you practice being clueless or is it just coming naturally to you.. **listen** to something other than your own voice...
I had put the word punishment in quotes for good reason, in reality it is a consequence of the speaker for being rude more so than a punishment.
@freemo @Andrii @akeno @ohellno
The reasons for the cleansing were the same as for the instruction to wipe out the Canaanites: cannibalism, human sacrifice & numerous other destructive practices.
God did not do this simply because they were rude & obnoxious. Rather, He commands compassion, forgiveness & patience.
"Forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing."
Thank you exactly my point.. he didnt practice "unconditional love" .. he judged them and treated them how that judgement deserved.
While he may have killed off the bulk of a planet due to "cannabalism, sacrafice, etc" and not just rudeness, by comparison I am also not killing off an entire planet, or even an individual. My "punishment" is far less severe and entirely proportional.
Yup, just as anyone I interact with who has lost my respect has infinite time to apologize and change their ways and would be easily forgiven and treated with respect again. So I'd say I follow the example well enough.
@Andrii
I admitted it (said the same thing) on my very first message on the topic and several times after. You were just too busy listening to your own voice
@ohellno @phicyclist @akeno
No one has been witheld compassion, still preaching and refusing to have even an ounce of humility huh?
My policy of forgiving anyone who apologizes who has wronged me, and giving them the option of being treated with respect should they wish to behave respectfully **is** compassion..
A lack of compassion would be to either enable their bullying (and thus perpetuate it onto others), which is what you are doing, or to not offer them a path to forgiveness.
Your choices are a complete lack of compassion under the guise of compassion because its the one that benefits **you** the most (by avoiding conflict) at the expense of everyone else (by enabling cruelty and passing it on to the next person).
@freemo @Andrii @ohellno @akeno
Look at how much time & effort has been spent on this thread.
You might say it hasn't been much, but it dwells in you and eats away at your soul. Evidence shows that such negativity even manifests physically.
Letting go & moving on frees up time & energy for more positive, productive endeavors.
Jesus told His disciples to forgive as many times as it takes, but also to walk away when vehemently rejected.
Buddhism imitates God, yet reflects that sentiment also.
Andrii has invested more time in this thread than me (his responses have been considerably longer than my own)... so based on your logic it seems you think andrii is the one who has negativity eating away at his soul..
letting go and moving on is just fine, personally id rather engage people in the hopes they can learn from my actions and help me make the world a better place by adopting my reasoning. If i didnt engage with andrii there would be no hope of that.
A few seconds out of my day to respond isnt much of a burden given the potential rewards.
As I stated earlier, punishment was in quotes for a very specific reason. It was only to show the parallels with biblical teaching and example.. as I already said (but apparently you refuse to actually listen to anyone other than yourself) a better term would be "consequences for ones actions".
when a person or even a pet or animals hurts someone else and exhibits bad behavior the worst thing you could do is praise them regardless. That reinforces the behavior and is equivalent to perpetuating the behavior.
When you show they get positive responses for positive behavior then it reinforces positive behavior.
It has nothing to do with punishment, it has to do with the fact that the individual needs to realize that their negative actions will not get them what they want and will not be rewarded, and thus any incentive for them to behave that way is removed.
You on the other hand, by treating them positively when they are acting cruely reinforces that behavior, perpetuates it and encourages the person to behave cruely.. you are directly causing cruelty to breed and spread in the world by your own choices, because you wish to be self-serving and avoid conflict yourself rather than to deal with the project head on and thus serve others.
abject hostility should be apologized for when provoked or initiated. while blocking them is a perfectly ok response, so is engaging them, presumingyour engagement has a positive purpose (which mine always does)
Are you seriously going to sit there and dictate what god is, and the "history" around him as if you are preaching some fact with 0 humility... christ man i have no problem with your beleifs but you really have to cut the whole enlightened act because you are farther from it than most.
Feel free to share your religious opinion by all means I have no issue with that but when you dont preface these statements with things like "I believe" or "In my opinion" and instead recite them as if your some all-knowing being who is the one and only person holding some unquestionable truth, and all other interpretations are null and void that tells me right off the bat you haven't taken even the first step towards a spiritually enlightened state and care more about stroking your ego and feeling important.
Humility is the first step, consider no longer play acting the part and maybe heading down the path...
@freemo @akeno @ohellno
Antagonism doesn't help. If you can provide evidence for the chicken pox issue posed earlier, that's one thing.
Otherwise, agree to disagree without animosity then move on. We cannot & do not know everything, but we can control our conduct toward others.