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@spinneria
der artikel gibt ja nicht wirklich viel her, wenns wirklich nur pyrolyse ist: ja, definitiv. das wäre dann einfach nur holzkohle in nanoröhrenformat und das was bei 800°C noch rausgebrannt wird, was wohl die asche ist.
@Data

@cyberspook
that's not the point i made :)

> What's next? Anti-communists are the real communists? Anti-Trumpists are the real Trump supporters? Anti-Semites are Jewish?

given the state of the world and the general madness, that's precisely what i'd expect, yes.

@helene @ins0mniak @ScatmansWorldFSE @11112011 @7 @p @straw

@cyberspook @ScatmansWorldFSE
just don't use it? it's debian based after all, much to choose from in that department.

also, people who have to virtue signal their "anti fascism" the loudest are those who wouldn't notice fascism anyway, as they have turned into what they hate most.

@11112011 @ins0mniak @helene @7 @p @straw

@bonifartius @useless_idiot @EU_Commission it should be called "make Croatia socialist republic again" plan. I mean, let's call things for what they are, shall we?

@useless_idiot
you know what pisses me the most: some things were good ideas! of course green energy makes sense, only politicians are so crooked to fuck even that one up. same for sustainable fishery, it will end with small fishers getting regulated into nonexistance and bis trawlers killing everything. just like with the farmers in NL and everywhere else.

@EU_Commission

@EU_Commission

Translation: My taxes are used to bribe Kroatia into accepting and promoting harmful ideologies.

@straw @11112011 @7 @bonifartius @cyberspook @helene @ins0mniak Maybe it's a filter, but I think it's reasonable to unironically dislike Nazism. What does it matter? It's software. The guy that runs the website put some icons on the website like it's 1998 and maybe he's joining a webring.

Insisting on ideological purity from the developers of software is the worst thing someone can do. Mastodon sucks because it sucks, not because it's run by a bunch of...I don't even know what. Soapbox sucks because it sucks, not because Gleason is a male-feminist vegan that wants to go full-:pence: on trans people. Akkoma doesn't get any magical fairy dust for being STUNNING AND BRAVE, it's just the dev branch for Pleroma with some bad ideas merged in. Pleroma is wonderful software and this, as far as I can tell, has nothing to do with feature bounties having been paid by a cam site, despite Gleason's retarded "BALORMO TRAFFICS CHILDREN" rant, and despote all the allegations of the trans people hacking on Pleroma being secretly transphobic Nazis. The FSF wants to kick :rms: out and that's a travesty, because it doesn't matter what Stallman's personal opinions on :epstein: are. Linus getting strong-armed into adding a Code of Conduct. All of it. It's cancer. Good software is good software, bad software is bad software, and none of the rest of it matters.

I boot up this software and I enjoy what happens. 9front is not the only version of Plan 9 available; I use ANTS. 9legacy is good too. At no point has anything political happened to me when running this software (except occasionally if I execute fortune(1) or something). That is exactly what I want when I run software. I do not have much interest in the political leanings of anyone involved in the project: code is code. I barely have interest in anyone's political leanings. I just don't care: politics is the most boring possible topic on earth. Political philosophy is interesting, geopolitics is interesting, regular philosophy is interesting; I'm not even doing those on here until I am posting from Revolver, though, and after last week (fiasco week) and this week (hell week) I am fresh out of fucks to give about anyone being worried that someone else might be :dongles: or :nodongles:.

I've gotten this question about a million times and my answer from now on is that if it's important to you, go run an OS written by people that agree with you. If it is not important to you, it is good software, try it out. If you don't want to try it out, that's fine. If you don't want to try it out because you don't like the website made by someone in charge of making the website for this fork of this OS, I'll make fun of you, but I won't care. I'm not especially trying to evangelize it: the perpetual drive for YOLD killed Linux. You can build something that a small number of people love, or that a large number of people kinda like. Plan 9 is something a small number of people really love. I really love it; I would like to share it with people that I think would also love it. Consider spicy food: you can make something that's extremely spicy, burns people up, and a handful of people will enjoy it and the rest will have a painful experience. If you make something that's fairly spicy, it'll appeal to more people; if you make something that's completely bland, it'll be edible for everyone but the people that want really spicy food are going to be unhappy with it. So it is a comfortable OS for hacking, I recommend it to hackers, I talk about it a lot because I like it, but I don't mind if it doesn't get popular: to become popular, it would have to dilute the things that make it interesting. This disincentivizes me from caring if some superficial thing puts somebody off, like if they don't like some icons on a website and they're more worried about that than the code.

@p
> I have yet to see a touchscreen interface that works nicely.

i think sailfish os / maemo is pretty nice. best use of mobile touchscreen i've seen, precisely because you don't have to target stuff with your fingers. most operations are some kind of swiping motion.

everywhere else touchscreen doesn't make sense, the displays are too large for that. it's never comfortable. i don't want to move my whole arm to do stuff.

@7 @11112011 @ins0mniak @helene @cyberspook

@cyberspook @bonifartius @11112011 @7 @helene @ins0mniak

> And the issue with using the keyboard is that the keybinds are often shit.

I'm telling you, I started using vi (which you keep calling "vim") in the 90s. The thing you are describing (vi, tiling WM, only ever push keyboard buttons), I was right there. I still use ratpoison on laptops (but I nowadays mostly use it for full-screen Inferno windows and drawterm sessions), basically the evilwm (which I also used to use) of tiling WMs. When I say it's better here than there, it's not because I was never there or that I've never heard of tiling WMs; I suspect people in this thread are more or less the same.

> Switch to Dvorak

Not the Dvorak stuff. I haven't been there. I am horrified that you are telling actual humans that Dvorak will make their life better in any way. Dvorak's home-row fixation is an RSI vehicle designed to be the "well ACTUALLY" of keyboard layouts. Dvorak is a Crossfit vegan Reddit atheist that just came back from a summer abroad in Europe. I will die on this hill, this and every hill. You do not get raw typing speed by using Dvorak, raw typing speed does not matter unless you take dictation for a living, a keyboard supposedly optimized for prose will not be likewise optimized for the sorts of thing a programmer or sysadmin types (which are, themselves, usually optimized to be convenient for qwerty users), and the hard part of programming isn't the typing anyway. Thinking is the hard part and you read more than you type, so if you really want to bump productivity, you should switch to a sensible bitmap font with shapes that you can turn into words even half-asleep and half-drunk, and switch out your transparent terminal background and excessive colors (everyone evangelizing Dvorak uses either grey-on-purple, eye-searing green-on-black, or transparent anime girl wallpaper background, 99% of the time on some pleb terminal like Gnome's, whatever they call it). Keyboard layout doesn't matter.

:globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated: Keyboard layout doesn't matter. :alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons: Keyboard layout doesn't matter. :globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated: Keyboard layout doesn't matter. :alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons::globalistlocated::alexjonesdemons:

> It’s a completely different paradigm

This is like saying that Pepsi is a different paradigm from Coke. Plan 9 is a different paradigm; the zooming interfaces and the Canon Cat are a different paradigm. Keyboard-only is just an interface tweak.

@slash i have heard many good things about trackballs, maybe i should get one at some point :D @7 @11112011 @ins0mniak @p @helene @cyberspook

@cyberspook @bonifartius @11112011 @7 @helene @ins0mniak

> Why use a mouse even? Vim keys.

The mouse is a fine input device.

You have been abused by evil GUIs that use the mouse wrong. I was once like you. I thought the height of HCI had been reached with vim+screen+ctags+urxvt. I spent years and years being abused by the terminal emulator that pretended to be a DEC vt100, which was itself pretending to be an ASR-33 teletype, because it hurt me less often than a desktop environment. But what if the mouse could be good?

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