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just realized how cursed trumps presidential library will be.
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@conatus I'm less worried about Trump's library and More saddened by the fact that we just elected the first Segregationist in my living history as president. Never have I been so ashamed to be an american than I am right now :(
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@freemo @icedquinn @conatus eh we’ll see
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Sure, if he has actual evidence I welcome him to present it. So far even if there is fraud he hasnt produced a single bit of evidence and, well, he isnt a man who tends to be very good at accomplishing what he says he will so I dont have high hopes until I see some.
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> hasn't produced a single bit of evidence
This is head in sand level denial.
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@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Wait hol up that raysis man said “there is no room for prejudice” in his first day in office???
HOLD THE PRESSES
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@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn He has presented some evidence but to my knowledge it hasn’t been super specific. His lawyers and such have more of the deets than he does
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If it's already sliding from "not a single bit" to "not a bit that convinced me" so who cares where the goal posts end up, it's clearly an issue of adjusting against momentum for the speaker.
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@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn Hey it was Freemo who said not a bit, not me.
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To be clear I was referring to evidence that there had been some orchestrated effort by officials to commit voter fraud. The case of individuals committing fraud on their own, without cooperation from officials, and at the risk of arrest is relevant, but not what I was referring to when I stated it..
The legal arguments would be far more complicated if we talk about random extremely small scale individuals committing fraud considering they would include both fraud in favor of democrats and fraud in favor of republicans. So while this is something that could be shown at very small scales (or maybe larger if there is evidence to show it, who knows) that's going to be a tough case to argue.
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Every single news station making 99% change winning predictions, calling states the second they opened, and censoring everyone who disagrees isn't collusive enough, he basically needs notarized plans from Biden's desk.
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Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?
I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?
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@freemo @conatus @icedquinn @moth Pay attention. The #MSM can force the populace to believe that whoever they want is president, so long as they act in concert.
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Except they dont act in concert.. A bunch of news is biased left, a bunch of news is biased right. So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do. Half of them agree on one thing, and the other half agree on the opposite thing.
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did the other outlets convince them, or did the numbers convince them (which may have been the incorrect numbers if fraud exists mind you). the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.
Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others, meanwhile fox had some fake numbers and they were fooled because the other news outlets cooperated?
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> the official numbers streaming in did, in fact, make biden look like the winner.
That's not true for a few of a key swing states, like PA, closer states, like AZ (being called before they opened so it was entirely on wild predictions and zero data) or even some of the safe Trump states like AK which were not called for days even though safe calls.
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Well yes thats true.. But PA was called for trump on all the liberal leaning networks I watched and didnt flip to biden until days after. I simultanious watched them call states live across 5 networks this year.
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I think RCP's call to freeze at last known good and post that things were complicated was the best call that was made so far in retrospect.
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> Are you actually suggesting the left leaning knews all knew the "real" numbers and knew Biden didnt win, but engaged in fraud just to mislead others
Yes.
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Fair, if that is true then I hope Trump is able to provide some evidence of collusion by someone in a position of power.
As I stated earlier regardless of the reality if all trump has are individuals commiting fraud on their own with no connection to the polticians or the party (other than being registered with it) then he is going to have a really hard time winning considering both democrats and republicans can and do commit fraud for their side individually.
However if he can show a news caster had some secret real numbers and published fake ones, or some coordination or intentional manipulation on the part of democrats to rig the election, then he will have a strong case I'd imagine.
Any suspicious behavior aside when it comes to hard evidence to win the sort of case he is making, I have yet to see it. The only real evidence (and no not just fishy behavior that isnt enough for court) has been a few random old ladies voting multiple times or something amounting to a few hundred votes...
Remember I am not asserting what **IS** (I never said if voted fraud is real or not), I am talking about what there is evidence for, evidence as in meets the standards of a court of law for submission... So far I havent heard of really any at all in this thread.
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Have you watched Barnes Law's breakdown? Viva Frei's streams have been invaluable.
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I know of him, read some of his comments. Probably havent watched what you are suggesting though no, I mostly invest time in information from reading rather than watching simply because of bandwidth. I can read a book in an hour, would take days for me to listen to it as spoken audio.
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Spoken audio at like 2x speed is how I consume most my media that I do in the background while working. Gotta keep reading on what I'm doing. The livestreams on Viva Frei's channel have been good as an initial "this will be news, and this will be noise" filter for other sources.
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I can't stand his demeanor, it's like to tries to embody the stereotype, right down to the costume.
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I know a lot of people who do that. Even at 2x speed it is much slower for me though. I spent some time training to speed read so I can consume text probably 40x faster than someone could speak it (just guessing, a page of text takes me about a second to consume).
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> a bunch of news is biased right
Like Fox! /s
> So you wont get them acting in concert at all, and we never do.
Head in sand.