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just realized how cursed trumps presidential library will be.
🇳🇱
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@conatus I'm less worried about Trump's library and More saddened by the fact that we just elected the first Segregationist in my living history as president. Never have I been so ashamed to be an american than I am right now :(
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@freemo @icedquinn @conatus eh we’ll see
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Sure, if he has actual evidence I welcome him to present it. So far even if there is fraud he hasnt produced a single bit of evidence and, well, he isnt a man who tends to be very good at accomplishing what he says he will so I dont have high hopes until I see some.
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> hasn't produced a single bit of evidence
This is head in sand level denial.
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@moth @freemo @conatus @icedquinn Wait hol up that raysis man said “there is no room for prejudice” in his first day in office???
HOLD THE PRESSES
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@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn He has presented some evidence but to my knowledge it hasn’t been super specific. His lawyers and such have more of the deets than he does
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If it's already sliding from "not a single bit" to "not a bit that convinced me" so who cares where the goal posts end up, it's clearly an issue of adjusting against momentum for the speaker.
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@moth @conatus @freemo @icedquinn Hey it was Freemo who said not a bit, not me.
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To be clear I was referring to evidence that there had been some orchestrated effort by officials to commit voter fraud. The case of individuals committing fraud on their own, without cooperation from officials, and at the risk of arrest is relevant, but not what I was referring to when I stated it..
The legal arguments would be far more complicated if we talk about random extremely small scale individuals committing fraud considering they would include both fraud in favor of democrats and fraud in favor of republicans. So while this is something that could be shown at very small scales (or maybe larger if there is evidence to show it, who knows) that's going to be a tough case to argue.
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Every single news station making 99% change winning predictions, calling states the second they opened, and censoring everyone who disagrees isn't collusive enough, he basically needs notarized plans from Biden's desk.
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Are you suggesting how news calls a state after the state closes polling somehow dictates who wins? Even if they intentionally miss called states in bidens favor, how does that change the actual number of votes counted?
I have absolutely no doubt the News is extremely biased and is likely to do a poor job both predicting and calling the elections as a result. While we should of course denounce the news for doing so and refuse to give them our service how do you feel this equates to election fraud?
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I'm saying that you're adding tons of qualifiers onto a statement that you're walking back because it's obviously false on it's face.
I am not making any positive assertions about how elections function.
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> Not a bit
> Ok, a bit, but not convincing
> Ok, it's convincing, but not coordinated. <-- You're here.
> Ok, it was coordinated.
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Sooooo.,... I'm exactly where I was when I started.. and no its here: "There is no evidence of fraud committed by the Democratic party to rig the election that I have seen yet" Pretty much exactly where I was when I first spoke... and again remember I still welcome evidence.
The only thing is when I first spoke I was not explicit on what I meant by fraud, yes my mistake, but so far I havent seen any new evidence in that regard eitehr.
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I'm dubious that you could spot it before it was irrefutably obvious, and even then, I think there's still evidenced room for dissonance.
Steel Dossier would be explicit DNC connected meddling, if you did any leg work at all.