@toplesstopics Hi, there is an initiative for a new server list underway and i see an issue with a proposed rule. The thing is that nudity and pornography are proposed to be treated the same, and that feels wrong.
I thought before i say something, you might be a lot more qualified to propose a better solution. I hope this is a reasonable request, if so please share your thoughts on this.
Easy to read pdf:
https://jeffreyfreeman.me/files/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf
Please see chapter 3, rule 6 for what i mean.
Github repo:
https://gitlab.com/ufoi/constitution/-/blob/master/proposal.tex
(line 173 is what i mean, currently:
\item Nudity and pornography must be posted either unlisted, with a content warning, or both.)
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Also please feel free to open this as an issue over on the Repor.. if someone disagrees with the direction the current draft goes we want to open public discourse aboutit and make sure we consider all views before any decisions are made.
@freemo
It's absolutely wrong to say nudity and pormography are the same and I bet you even include "female looking nipples" as "nudity" but not "male looking nipples." if mastodon could not be #sexist, #misogynistic and #transphobic like all the centralized platforms run by #thepatriarchy, that would be amazing.
@admitsWrongIfProven
Just suggest more appropriate wording on a merge request, this is why we asked you.. I will be happy to consider improved wording.
@freemo
I will try to find time to take a look at it later this week. The first I've heard of it is from getting tagged into this thread. I just know from 15+ years as a topless equality activist, "banned from every platform you've heard from and some you haven't," that any US-focused platform or media (so, all the big boys) ALWAYS categorizes "female nipples" as "nudity" and "nudity" as "sexual," which are both blatantly untrue and quintessentially misogynistic and transphobic, yet it's just the assumed position by everyone and it pisses me off.
As you can tell, I have strong feelings about this. 🙃
@admitsWrongIfProven
When i wrote that point I wasnt really thinking topless but rather bottom nudity, and with the assumption both sexes would be treated equally.
I look forward to your improved wording, but it sounds like you wont get any objections from me and instead welcome your input.
@icedquinn @toplesstopics @freemo Hm yes. The weak point we might have is to enable donations. We need some way for users to help instance providers. I hope that the rather low profile compared to for-profit ad revenues enables us to not copy the mistakes of other socials.
@freemo
Thank you for already being different than all the unquestioningly sexist tech bros at all the centralized for-profit platforms. 😜
@admitsWrongIfProven
Doing the best I can.. I always agreed with you anyway, it makes no sense a woman being topless is any worse than a man. So its not something you have to convince me of :)
@freemo
That is an incredible relief, honestly. Sorry for assuming, it's just that in EVERY OTHER CASE, female nipples get counted as nudity, and thus the only places I can even be topless are on sites that allow full body nudity--which is only the case on sites that allow full on porn.
Tl;Dr I have to use PORN sites just to exist topless, exactly like any man can do on ANY website 🙃 (even Twitch, since they established their "hot tubs and pools" category)
@admitsWrongIfProven
I totally understand the feeling of being the under dog and going in ready for a fight, I've been there in other context. No worries.
Yea full body pornographic photos are not on par with casual topless photos, thats for sure.
@toplesstopics @freemo Maybe, the federated nature of this can help us push some ethics over the discrimination you so rightly criticise. At the very least, we don't have a company in power that can just pull the rug for economical reasons, like it happened to many times before. No ad revenue here to be considered.
@freemo @toplesstopics Exactly. We should not make the rules as men, we should listen to someone who knows the impact of misoginy. Cleo, please help us out here with a proposal how the rule should look!