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@icedquinn

Thats not unusual for men or women in sports, in fact its the norm. We did it regularly in our high school wrestling team even. Its pretty much standard practice in any weight based sport (wrestling being one).

@rat_attakk

@icedquinn Assuming that is true im not sure it is a counter argument here. Assuming the analogy carried over to men and women at all at worst it implies a woman might need to spend more time training than a man to be in the same league as him, which is fine by me.. but youd still get women on equal footing with men at the lower weight classes..

The end result would be that the top weight classes would likely be all or mostly men, and then the bottom weight classes or slightly above youd have women right up there with men, it would just be that due to natural differences you might reason that you have the best of the best of the women competing against average level men, they are on equal footing within their league all the same and that just nature, but it would work.

@rat_attakk

do you have any data on mma fighting or something? Obviously they have a different figure but when all your weight is developed into muscle that just means youll have different superior abilities on each side at best not any side being at a greater advantage overall.

@icedquinn

@meowski

You wouldnt.. transexuals and transgendered people do not want their own bathrooms or an elimination of sports leagues all together.. They want to be included, not to have other excluded.

@icedquinn

@icedquinn Other way around, I've never seen any data to suggest a man is superior to a woman of the same weight class and similar training.

@icedquinn Seems to me there would be better ways to solve that as well.. Simply have sports be neutral to genders, then do all sports by weight class, problem solved, men will dominate the higher weight class divisions, women will be on equal footing at lower weight classes.. a woman and a man of equal weight, both trained to have low body fat will have equivelant muscle mass and performance.

@icedquinn Personally I think we are going about it backwards.. we shouldnt be treating women, or minorities as special groups or give them special treatment (regardless of if they face unique challenges), therefore problem solved, be a minority if you want, who cares.

That isnt that there is no problem or that the problem isnt to be solved. But if we solve the problem for all poor, for example, then by extension we are already helping challenged groups (who are more likely to be poor) as a result.

@Pat regardless we are still talking about societal privilages granted along the lines of ones medical history, which people would be forced to disclose in order to function within society. This alone is unacceptable. At no time should a person in any way should have any obligation to disclose their medical history.

@Pat That doesnt change my stance, which is that I agree with you that its a bad thing (to either be at an advantage or disadvantage due to medical decisions)... but agreeing that it is a bad argument doesnt mean its a logical fallacy is my point.

@cjd

How ya figure? Far more international trade takes place in asian than america, by several orders of magnitude.

@mithrandir

@cjd

Yea which is as i said, american markets will use american units. But international markets use metric.

The reason the american market has more volume doesnt tell you much because your looking at one among many markets, its not a measure of total market volume across all USA.

@mithrandir

@Pat

Very true, my dad is from the middle of nowhere (Montana where you can barely see your neighbor's home from your porch)... anyone out there has seen, held, and used a gun. But rural residents are a minority and most of the population are in or near cities where its not nearly as common.

@Faket

@Pat

Most people go their whole lives in america and maybe see a gun once or twice and only at a shooting range.

Gun ownership isnt rare in terms of percentages but it is highly concentrated and those who own guns tend to be somewhat private about it. so regardless of just how many physical guns there are it is pretty typical to go your whole life in america and never see a gun in person.

@Faket

@Pat ahh I see.. while I do agree that both are bad, I am not quite sure there is a logical fallacy there.. maybe, let me think on it.

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@cjd

Actually you are mistaken, all the things you listed are in fact only traded by the unit you mentioned in the us, internationally they use metric units and that includes international market trading..

Lets start with hay, grains and cotton, those are traded by the metric ton, here we can see the italian hay market, for example, listing all their prices in metric tons: https://www.clal.it/en/index.php?section=conf_foraggi

gold is actually price per gram or kg and not just in europe and internationally but even in the US (though troy ounce is sometimes used too but only int he US): https://www.kitco.com/gold-price-today-europe/

In fact the only commodity that doesnt use a metric measurement that you listed is oil, but that isnt "any oil" but only crude oil. refined oils are in liters.

@mithrandir

@Pat

Fair, fortunately in the USA guns arent nearly as common as TV may make you think.

@Faket

@Pat in order to be a fallacy something he said would have to be incorrect... what exactly do you think is incorrect about what he said, sounds all factual to me.

The issue, I suspect, is that you disagree with the weighting of concerns.. something about greater good makes it justified to you.. that wouldnt mean its a fallacy only that your priorities are different than theirs.

@cjd

Actually thats an older definition, but the newer one I think is still relatively close in practice. But yea, at sea it makes some sense where lattitude and longitude is all you have to go on.

@mithrandir