Paul Sutton @zleap@social.cleverlibre.org

@PawelK @Coyote @holzi @feditips

Indeed facebook can take down images of tattooed nipples bit seems to fail at dealing with child abuse .

@PawelK @holzi @feditips

Well how do we STOP minors signing up by lying about their age.

@PawelK @Coyote @holzi @feditips

The laws targeting large social media platforms will eventually end up applying to the fediverse despite the fact we can just block those who post things we don't like, we need to ensure the laws that are made support and don't hinder our efforts.

Society looks for someone to blame,

@PawelK @holzi @feditips

I agree we need to teach responsibility and hold users to account.

@Coyote @holzi @feditips

I think one of the reasons all this grooming takes place is because parents seem to use devices as electronic babysitting devices. Or are blind to the fact of the dangers, as they are so hooked and trusting of these platforms.

@holzi @feditips Agreed, how can we make it easier. At the same time balance free speech / expression with safeguarding vulnerable groups

We can do this, we just need to convince users or potential users regarding that.?

@Starcake @nekojanai

I think we need safeguards in place, not simply on the tech platforms but elsewhere in society..

Banning live streaming won't stop it, as members of the fediverse we may have solutions that put everyone first not the profits and shares of big tech companies first.

Lets see if we can find a solution before the fediverse is forced out of existance because laws / rules / fees make what we have too unviable to do

If you owned and ran a peer tube instance would YOU want people streaming child abuse on YOUR platform?

Child abuse: Warning of siblings being groomed online

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-56337505

@Starcake @nekojanai

Other side of live streaming

Child abuse: Warning of siblings being groomed online

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-56337505

@feditips If you don't like any of the rules anywhere, set your own server up and take responsibility for the security, safety and financial support of the server.

@Starcake @nekojanai I don't think it is 'just' live streaming of shootings we need to worry about, what about rape, child rape especially etc.

While it is evidence,, as a member of a jury you could be influenced by that footage seen before, putting a trial at risk, meaning cases can be thrown out and quashed.

Members of a jury in teh UK are not even allowed to look up about the case, they need to be impartial and rely on evidence given to the court.

It will take a single case being used to appeal, and win that could really cause problems for future court cases.

@kino Even Donald Trump seemed to suggest that some of these shootings are down to Mental health issues, It does make a lot of sense that to me.

We need to ensure people get help . We also need to make social changes so that people get help very early on so these problems don't get to the point where people simply crack under what ever pressure they are under.

@Blort @info_activism Not really, no,

We do need to hold the Facebook board to account on what goes on.

On other other hand, let em (as in facebook) get on with it, and lets make sure the fediverse builds in to a respectful, welcoming platform for all.

@Starcake @nekojanai

I guess we also need some sort of safeguards to avoid live streaming of shootings

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56492541

Or at least discussions on this not just shootings but other serous incidents too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56492541

@Starcake @nekojanai

Agreed on this, on a sort of related note it will be interesting (if not perhaps scary) as to what Donald trump will come up with.

@Starcake @nekojanai Indeed, but how do we get these groups off facebook.

It is like the fabrese fabric conditioner advert saying people are 'nose blind' to bad odours, in a way facebook users seem to be blind to the activities, probably aware but not wanting to see this is happening.

Schools in England told not to use material from anti-capitalist groups

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/27/uk-schools-told-not-to-use-anti-capitalist-material-in-teaching

Could policies like this have implications for free software, open source and the fediverse, ?

#uk #schools #material #anticapitalist #implications

@nekojanai Ah cool, lets see if any get back on my concern, I think a lot of facebook users are blind to what facebook are doing, at the same time they are committed to safeguarding, which really does not add up very well from my viewpoint.

@Starcake @nekojanai
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@Starcake @nekojanai I am down here in Devon, but feel free :)