lengthy rant
@travis @niclas @evelyn the issue with "stand on the field" is that the industrialization also changed our societies massively.
it was rather common (for better or worse) to live together with at least one side of parents and other relatives who could then take care of household stuff and kids, while now you are practically forced to put kids into some paid (via tax or via direct payment) care while you go to work to pay for the individualized living spaces we now have. hell, the now grand-parent generation is probably unfit to take care of kids anyway if i look at how they behave.
it's not that everything technological is bad, but the way it was and still is done isn't sustainable and doesn't make people happy. sure, the basic needs are taken care of, but why do people feel the _need_ to spend big amounts of money on bad "entertainment" and vanity related stuff now if not to fill a hole that is missing. probably half of the population is taking antidepressants or something else related to mental problems.
there really is something very broken with how things are, and it starts to show. in some sense we are back to the beginning of industrialization with how many people are living on the bare minimum in many western countries.
@grips good old times
@velartrill link?
@koyuchan leute kaufen auch apple und teure turnschuhe die zwei monate halten. wenn genug energie in erzeugung von bedürfnissen gesteckt wird funktioniert alles ;)
@thor to expand on the question, analog mechanical or quarz, or digital?
i have a cheap mechanical watch which requires some maintenance right now (the knob is too loose and is easily screwed off). for practical purposes i thought about getting a classic casio f91w.
@thor what kind of watch?
@velartrill
it's really tiring that most people ignore all the bad things nazis did all over europe except the holocaust. they considered themselves the "chosen race" and did things which were obviously wrong by their own moral code (e.g. i think the lebensborn stuff is fucked on many many levels) that the nazis also had a few good ideas regarding social things and animal welfare is largely ignored, too.
meanwhile it also is ignored that the allies were genocidal assholes too. churchill wanted to gas indians (
"I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes"), the soviets were killing random people in their variois countries, the US had segregation and probably lynchmobs. i don't think that you could pick any western (probably also other regions) nation and won't find things one would classify as genocide now. _every_ nation was fucked up in their minds by industrialization, the colonial politics, etc.
@Eris how with my limited human abilities could i perceive and understand the objective truth?
note this is different from what i think is ethical. the problem is that it's like flying with only radar. some things are very obviously bad (huge echo from a mountain) some are not so clear (maybe just a nasty cloud?)
there are few things i can clearly say i think are bad, like child or animal abuse. nazis did some pretty fucked things, but some ideas were probably right, like cheap vacations for workers and emphasizing the value of families.
@Eris i'm convinced that i probably don't know "the truth". hell, it probably doesn't even exist 🤷♀️
@velartrill it's fact checkers all the way down!
@velartrill only in the german wikipedia (strange that anything criticizing SPD/KPD is allowed there.. :) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm#Skandale_um_R%C3%B6hms_Homosexualit%C3%A4t_1931/32
@dewomser lecker lecker lecker lecker lecker lecker!
@velartrill i recently read about ernst röhm. reportedly large parts of the nsdap knew he was gay and didn't care what he did in private, but the _socialists_ weaponized it against the nsdap before '33. may even be the wikipedia article i got this from.
the discrepancy that there were some women (riefenstahl, hannah reitsch) in high regard for their work is also interesting. like anything it's not really black & white, even if everybody wants the nazis to be pure evil 🤷♀️
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