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@Andrii

yes but can it give you exemption from the law (I doubt it)... can you go and steal someones car and say "my religion demands I steal cars".. my guess is no.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@thadius

You wont get any argument from me.. and while your court trial might cause those laws to get changed if you are really lucky you also should know and expect a lengthy court trial as a consequence of your moral quest.

@anon00110 @akeno @madmike @Moon @Coyote

@khird It is a very good insulator up until breakdown voltage, and breakdown voltage is the point you see sparks. However while it is a good insulator it is not a perfect insulator., electrons will still flow. In fact you can **see** them flowing before breakdown or a spark gap forms.

Check out the image I attached. I took it myself. That is at about maybe 10kV or so, but what your seeing int hat picture is NOT a spark gap. witht he lights on you'd barely notice any glow except maybe right at the tips of the electrodes. Bot no spark is formed yet. That blue glow is electrons flowing and forming a corona. It isnt out of focus either, a spark would look like a sharp blue hair like path between the electrons. Prior to spark formation the corona is diffuse though still flows between the electrodes.

Because no spark gap is formed and as you pointed out the air is a good insulator, much less current is flowing for the same voltage. Once a spark gap forms current will increase tremendously, usually to the point the voltage will drop and not be able to maintain the spark.

@Andrii

Yea I cant speak to canada. But in america we do have the religious freedoms act where religious beliefs can not get you in legal trouble. We just strictly define religious beleifs as needing to be part of an organized religion and not personal beliefs.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@Coyote

Actually the death of Aaron resulted in a lot of good.For example the "computer fraud and abuse act" was amended due to Aaron and his death. It is even called "Aaron's Law" (I am reading about this as we speak).

In addition the "Fair Access to Science and Technology Research Act" was passed as a direct result of Aaron.

Not to mention MIT made some big changes to their policies too.

@anon00110 @akeno @madmike @Moon

@123abceng

Of course there are ways to know.. we dont just take a picture and say "science done, see this random blurry photo, it proves everything"... there are loads of tests and processes we do to break down and understand what we are seeing in that picture and in the end it all adds up to the undeniable fact that it is a virus, to the point we can tell you its exact RNA.

@akeno @vandys @madmike @Coyote

@Andrii

Books are for teaching you what we know, articles are for showing why we know it.

@10grans @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@Coyote

Sure, the law needs to be changed. At a minimum the law should state any studies done with public funding must always be released under open access.

In fact partly as a result of Aaron those changes were in fact implemented in 2013 (though they arent perfect in the way they are written). Any universities or organizations in general that recieve more than 100M$ in grants from the government to fund the research must provide open access to their research. So its a good step forward.

https://researchguides.uic.edu/c.php?g=252224&p=2745823

@anon00110 @akeno @madmike @Moon

@khird well you are certainly right that he spoke incorrectly when talking about the direction of flow of the electrons.. but otherwise he is on point. with or without an arc electrons are definately flowing. At 20kV I can tell you from expiernce electrons are flying into the air. To be clear electrons are flowing both when an arc is visible and when it isnt however far more are flowing when the arc is visible. Arcs form as cascade reactions where air resistance is lowered by ionization and more and more current flows resulting in increased ionization until the air transitions suddenly from resistor to conductor.

Also keep in mind this experiment should behave identical regardless of what side is polarized as + or -.

@anon00110

Of course he is. I fully support his position. I am just pointing out that despite being morally right he is completely and utterly legally in the wrong.

@akeno @madmike @Moon @Coyote

@Andrii

As much as I would love to use the religious exemption excuse in the end I doubt it will make much of a difference as to whether i wind up in jail or worse.

Religious exemptions are actually not as easy to argue in court as just stating it as a religious beleif. It must actually be held by an organized religion and practiced by a large group of people as doctrine (there is a specific legal test for it)... So just believing in it religiously as a personal religious decision or interpretation wont mean squat to the courts.

@10grans @Moon @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@Andrii

In principle yes, in practice no.

A great many discussions are about topics that most of the contituents are not educated enough to judge the facts directly themselves. COVID is a great example of that, for many arguments it would take years of study and knwoledge to be armed with enough expiernce to even be able to judge the argument at all.

So while I agree all that matters is the quality of the argument, that can only be evaluated in the first place by someone who is knowledgable, and much of that that wont be you. Therefore if you do not have the training to make an educated judgement then your only next recourse is to weight the arguments by the experience of those making it, at least in part.

@10grans @madmike @akeno @Coyote

@vandys In the Pdf the virus in the image obviously originated in someones blood. Granted it was later replicated in vitro but it still started in someones blood. So how can it be anything other than that?

You will never find the case where they just take some blood from someone put it in a SEM and bam, see a virus, any virus. There has to be an in vitro step to replicate the virus so they are numerous enough to be spotted, otherwise its like searching for a needle in a haystack.

@Coyote

That said if someone apologizing or admits their fault I will happily reinstate their respect :)

@akeno @vandys @madmike

@Coyote

I will ad hominen in return if its done to me as well, thing is, I'm usually better at it. But I will almost never be the initiator of it. I give people respect by default, but once they have explicitly lost that respect I have no issue absolutely destroying you.

@akeno @vandys @madmike

@vandys Shame that open access isnt the norm. But luckily today the open-access gods blessed our journey.

@Coyote

I have a very specific tolerance for assholes... insult my ideas all you want, ill probably do the same to you. But the second you start insulting me or a group of people personally then you loose any hope of me treating you respectfully. Insult ideas, not people.

@akeno @vandys @madmike

@vandys

No problem, finding research papers admittedly is a bit of an art. I also got a bit lucky finding one that was open access for you.

@Coyote @akeno @madmike

@vandys

If you want a full study that goes into the structure along with SEM images here is that for you:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Corona-Virus-Covid-19-structural-analysis-a-SEM-image-of-the-COVID-19-coronavirus_fig1_341770427

@Coyote @akeno @madmike